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Re: [casi] Andreas: Zarathustra's Prayer Call-feel free to delete

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In a message dated 07/19/2003 3:05:35 PM Central Daylight Time, writes:

> Could I reiterate my request that List members not post irrelevant, non-Iraq
> related posts to this List. John-Peter: if you want to send a message of
> this nature to Andreas, please do so by e-mailing Andreas rather than the
> whole list. I have enough e-mails to delete as it is (as I'm sure do many

your assessment of what is "irrelevant" is not necessarily the only
assessment.  As this 'list' is not a monolithic non-organic chunk o' rock, perhaps you
are speaking for some, perhaps just for yourself, but certainly not for all.
I myself am non-religious and find the prayers irrelevant from a spiritual
perspective, but not at all irrelevant for one's soul.  As we are all, at least
the people on this list who I know, emotionally weary and heartbroken the posts
of people like Andreas may not be irrelevant at all, in fact they may very
well be a highly relevant form of encouragement for some of our fellow

Might I make a suggestion for YOU, Gabriel, why don't you exercise your
middle digit when deleting emails from me and the other bleeding hearts on the
list, and save us the time of having to delete YOUR testy responses, or worse,
respond to them.

I respect your efforts on behalf of the people of Iraq, therefore, in the
future if I am going to post something with a heart, I will mark it with a
disclaimer which will alleviate you the consternation of reading it, alas, your
middle digit will have to massage the overworked delete key.  Perhaps the rest of
you emotional liberals could do the same for Gabriel.

I am speaking primarily for myself on this, feel free to delete or chastise
at will.

Roger Stroope
Northern Arizona University
Flagstaff USA

During the war crimes trials at Nuremberg, psychologist Gustave Gilbert
visited Nazi Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering in his prison cell. "We got around to
the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not
think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war
and destruction," Gilbert wrote in his journal, Nuremberg Diary.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would
some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can
get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? ... That is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship
... That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same way in any country."

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