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Re: [casi] By the beard of the Manical Dictator - querying the Saddam captured images.



"We get (and I
value) a large number of forwarded newspaper cuttings but hardly any actual
original thinking." --Peter

Mea culpa.  However you write,

"But right at this moment I have the feeling that sending anything to this
list is sending it into the void"--Peter

With this I disagree.  Very many of the observations, and most of the
'information' I read here are passed on to a wide US audience. Do not fear
you are posting into a 'void'.  pg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brooke" <pbrooke@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [casi] By the beard of the Manical Dictator - querying the
Saddam captured images.


> Dear Per and list
>
> > This situation is like something out of bad satire: the people of Iraq
> > is in urgent need of our attention, wholly at the mercy of the policies
> > of our politicians, who are not accountable to them in any way. This
> > list exists for the discussion of how we can address this situation, but
> > instead it's a place for the discussion of the size of Saddam's
> > moustache.  Monty Python couldn't have come up with anything more
absurd.
>
>
> Those who object to the poor quality of the list at present would be on
> stronger ground if they themselves would send mailings that identify
> important issues and reflect on them in an intelligent manner. We get (and
I
> value) a large number of forwarded newspaper cuttings but hardly any
actual
> original thinking.
>
> Per is certainly capable of this, as witness his letter to the BBC
> complaining about the way they represented the end of the Oil for Food
> programme. But even this was not sent to the list by him (it was sent by
> Daniel on Nov 25). Mike Lewis is also capable of it and so is Colin Rowat.
> Yet if I'm not mistaken the only substantial mailings any of them have
sent
> since the invasion have been complaints about Tom. Which is a curious
thing
> in itself when all of them are of the opinion that Tom's thoughts are not
> worth bothering with.
>
> I have recently mailed an argument in favour of supporting Grand Ayatollah
> Sistani's call for a rapid move to elections; and one pointing to our
Prime
> Minister's claim that 400,000 bodies have already been discovered in mass
> graves (that IS what he said) as a travesty of what is known on this
subject
> - a statement which shows much the same mentality as the irresponsible
> statements about weapons of mass destruction made prior to the war. I am
> also trying to enter into some sort of discussion with Muhammad and Yasser
> on whether or not a tribunal established by the IGC can have any
credibility
> (Hassan Zeini has also mailed on this subject). And I have tried to get
some
> sort of focus on the reality of Iraqi culture by drawing attention to the
> fact that there is among the Shi'ites a system of law with a respectable
> intellectual pedigree that is up and running and is probably the most
> important factor at the present time preventing an even greater slide into
> anarchy. None of these have so far attracted any interest though they seem
> to me to be important issues. The only thing I have mailed that has
> stimulated a reaction has been my remark in support of Tom on the subject
of
> Saddam Hussein's moustache.
>
> The CASI analysis list has been established to try to get more high
quality
> discussion through tighter monitoring, and there is a project for an
> improved website on similar lines. I have been trying to get some idea of
> the focus for these projects and of the topics that will be considered
> appropriate for them. So far I have failed but this might emerge over time
> once the people who have been refraining from posting to the rambling and
> anarchic discussion list start posting to the tighter analysis list.
>
> At any rate I suppose that the size of Saddam Hussein's moustache will not
> be considered an appropriate subject, but since we are still on the
> rambling, anarchic list, I might remark that the point under consideration
> is bushiness. The degree of bushiness is not revealed in the full frontal
> photos given by the BBC; it is revealed in the three quarter views given
by
> Tom. This does not constitute evidence as to whether or not the photos are
> of Saddam himself or of a lookalike. My own speculation, if there's
anything
> in it (and it may well be a trick of the light. But it doesn't look like
> one) is that whether it was Saddam or a lookalike they wanted it to look
> like Saddam and so probably touched up the photograph when they saw that
the
> moustache did not look right.
>
> However interpreted the whole disgusting spectacle is a gross violation of
> the terms of the Geneva convention (the one our leaders evoked when they
> complained about Al Jazeera photos of dead US and British soldiers) and a
> monstrous way of treating a captive head of state (I seem to remember in
one
> of my news mailings commenting on the regret George Bush must feel that he
> is no longer living in an age where he could use the captive emperor as a
> footstool for mounting his horse. I have also been put in mind of William
> Blake's great painting of the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar). For myself
I
> think that getting some sort of coherent understanding of what Saddam
> Hussein is/was is a matter of the first importance and I would like to set
> about it (and would welcome help from those who detest him. The best
> polemicist against Saddam Hussein I have seen over the past few weeks has
> been Jo Wilding).
>
> But right at this moment I have the feeling that sending anything to this
> list is sending it into the void.
>
> Yours
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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