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H Sutter says > all the 'evidence' [for CIA involvment in the Ba'ath coup of 1963] is anecdotal or hearsay, including Cockburn's > and Aburish's. No primary evidence. This is plainly false. Look again at the evidence assembled in the excerpts from the books I quoted. Go to the books and examine their footnotes. For instance, main actors in the disgusting crime have admitted the truth which H Sutter seeks to deny: "We really had the ts crossed on what was happening," James Critchfield, then head of the CIA in the Middle East, told us. "We regarded it as a great victory." Iraqi participants later confirmed American involvement. "We came to power on a CIA train," admitted Ali Saleh Saadi, the Ba'ath Party secretary general." Anecdotal? Hearsay? Either you think these quotations were invented... or you are wrong! Of course, it is simplistic and childish to the think that the US and UK imperialists orchestrate coups the same way we make a cup of instant coffee. They like to remain behind the scenes, pulling strings, taking advantage of conflicts, forming alliances with the most depraved and reactionary and ruthless scum that they can find. It is also childish to imagine that, at the height of the cold war, in a region of the world and in a country that was then and is now of huge strategic importance, at a time when they were raining coups down on the heads of peoples fighting for independence and freedom across the world, that US involvement in overthrowing a government which challenged their fundamental interests was just a secondary factor. best wishes John S --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003 _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email email@example.com All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk