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Dear Muhamed Ali and casi members
The videos I am talking about was provided by Al-Dawa Islamic party. Some of
the footage was broadcasted on Al-Arabia Satellite channel. Some of the
pictures show the corps of their guard who died according to the Americans
of heart attack during interrogation,. When they, AlDawa, received the body
the hand and the feet of the dead man was tied up and he had a very clear
head wound. This video was given to Amnesty international and we told them
were we got the film and whom to contact for further investigations.
Apparently you are more interested in the atrocities of Saddam that the west
KNEW about for very long time, shall we say since 1983, when Donald
Rumsfield visited Saddam. All Saddam atrocities are history now No need to
regurgitate on them and ignore the present atrocities,
One last thing Muhamed you can contact Amnesty international in London and
help them to "verify the authenticity of these videos and the accuracy of
the English translation from the spoken Arabic dialect. " Good Luck
Best regards
Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
Baghdad, Occupied Iraq
----- Original Message -----
From: "Muhamed Ali" <Muhamed.Ali@Hackney.gov.uk>
To: "Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar" <ghazwan_almukhtar@hotmail.com>; "casi"
<casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [casi] Take Bush, Blair, and Rumsfeld alive!
> Dear list members,
> Could Ghazwan or any other colleague inside Iraq verify
the authenticity of these videos and the accuracy of the English translation
from the spoken Arabic dialect.
> ("Smuggled videos from the time show him observing
executions - and reveal a spectacular lack of conscience. "Who will say
anything?" he tells a group of party officials. "The international
community? Fuck them.")
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1027405,00.html
>
> Much obliged,
> Muhamad
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar [mailto:ghazwan_almukhtar@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 22 August 2003 10:46
> To: Muhamed Ali; casi
> Subject: Re: [casi] Take Bush, Blair, and Rumsfeld alive!
>
> Dear Muhamed Ali and list members
>
>
>
> I am sure that if you read amnesty international report “Iraq Memorandum
on
> concerns
> relating to law and order”
> http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE141572003 you would have a
> different view about what is happening in Baghdad. I have talked to
Amnesty
> international delegation and handed to them pictures of prisoners tortured
,
> NOT BY SADDAM FORCES, but by the American occupation forces. The human
> rights of the people of Iraq are being violated repeatedly by the American
> occupation forces.
>
> I am sure that sitting in London and just reading few selected reports may
> blear ones vision of what is actually happening in Iraq. May I suggest
> that you come to where the action is, Baghdad, Come to the cowboy country.
> With my apology to “Marlborough”
>
> Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
>
> Baghdad, Occupied Iraq
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Muhamed Ali" <Muhamed.Ali@Hackney.gov.uk>
> To: "Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar" <ghazwan_almukhtar@hotmail.com>; "casi"
> <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [casi] Take Bush, Blair, and Rumsfeld alive!
>
>
> Dear list members,
> I wholeheartedly agree that even Saddam Hussein should
be
> captured alive, given the choice to do so. It is a pity that none of his
> victims were spared by being given the choice to live. Even now, some
people
> forget all about these victims and detract by worrying about the human
> rights of the perpetrator, under the banner of "Anti-Occupation",
> "Anti-War",etc....Whatever the label, it is not pro-Iraqi people. Witness
> the mass graves during the occupation by Saddam Hussein.
>
> Regards,
> Muhamad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar [mailto:ghazwan_almukhtar@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 21 August 2003 14:27
> To: casi
> Subject: Re: [casi] Take Bush, Blair, and Rumsfeld alive!
>
> Stupid me I thought the war was to uphold the international law,
>
> . According to media
> > reports, senior U.S. officials, including Secretary Rumsfeld
> > and Vice-President Dick Cheney, have been discussing whether
> > it might be preferable to kill Saddam Hussein rather than
> > capture him alive. Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, head of the
> > Coalition Provisional Authority, has also told journalists
> > that U.S. forces do not want to take Saddam Hussein alive.
>
> > "Putting Saddam Hussein on trial will be complicated, but it
> > has to be done," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of
> > Human Rights Watch. "You don't build respect for the rule of
> > law by choosing to kill someone, no matter how heinous their
> > crimes, because it's the easier thing to do."
>
> > Human Rights Watch said that any decision to kill Saddam
> > Hussein as an alternative to capturing him alive may well
> > violate international humanitarian law.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "emir chen" <hc228@cam.ac.uk>
> To: "CASI" <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
> Cc: "若雪" <emirhui@yahoogroups.com.tw>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:42 AM
> Subject: [casi] Take Bush, Blair, and Rumsfeld alive!
>
>
> > Take Saddam Hussein Alive? Yes! I agree. But, as a pacifist,
> > I'd like to take Bush, Blair, and Rumsfeld alive, too.
> >
> > Emir
> >
> > ====================================
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Human Rights Watch"
> > <hrw-news@topica.email-publisher.com>
> > To: <hc228@cam.ac.uk>
> > 2003. 8. 12. PM 10:19
> > Subject: U.S. Should Take Saddam Hussein Alive
> >
> >
> > U.S. Should Take Saddam Hussein Alive
> >
> > (New York, August 12, 2003) - The U.S. government should
> > take Saddam Hussein into custody if at all possible and make
> > him stand trial, rather than killing him, Human Rights Watch
> > said today.
> >
> > In a letter sent August 8, Human Rights Watch urged U.S.
> > Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to state publicly that
> > the United States wants the former Iraqi president to face
> > charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity before an
> > independent and impartial tribunal. According to media
> > reports, senior U.S. officials, including Secretary Rumsfeld
> > and Vice-President Dick Cheney, have been discussing whether
> > it might be preferable to kill Saddam Hussein rather than
> > capture him alive. Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, head of the
> > Coalition Provisional Authority, has also told journalists
> > that U.S. forces do not want to take Saddam Hussein alive.
> >
> > "Putting Saddam Hussein on trial will be complicated, but it
> > has to be done," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of
> > Human Rights Watch. "You don't build respect for the rule of
> > law by choosing to kill someone, no matter how heinous their
> > crimes, because it's the easier thing to do."
> >
> > Human Rights Watch said that any decision to kill Saddam
> > Hussein as an alternative to capturing him alive may well
> > violate international humanitarian law.
> >
> > "Even in an armed confrontation, the United States would
> > have to respect any offer of surrender that Saddam Hussein
> > might make," Roth said.
> >
> > If it's not a combat situation, then policing rules apply,
> > and U.S. forces can only use lethal force when necessary to
> > avert an imminent threat to the life of themselves or
> > others.
> >
> > The letter to Rumsfeld can be found at:
> > http://hrw.org/press/2003/08/us080803.htm
> >
> >
> >
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