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> I am more than convinced that Uday and Qusay > are still alive. I didn't pay much attention to that story myself. To me, the rejoicing in those killings was depressing - to say nothing about the published photos of the corpses. But it seems you are not alone in your conviction. At least, doubt has been expressed widely, starting with Iraqis themselves. Supporters of the 'liberation coalition', (so dubbed) apparently believed the story. Most non-supporters as well. In Rumsfeld, NYT and BBC we trust. And this at a time when people are wailing 'we have been lied to'... about WMDs, uranium, dossiers, and so on. Do people want to believe? Or do they take language too literally? For example, Gen. Sanchez, when confirming the identity, said: "The bodies are in a condition where you could identify them." He didn't say 'can', he said 'could' - no outright lie. (Globe and Mail, July 23.) Vialls raises some valid points, even if he goes a bit overboard in his claims. For example, why would it take 200 heavily-armed soldiers, 4-6 hours to capture four people? Why would the fugitives choose Mosul? And why would they stay together? But the doubts I've come across centred mainly on the identity of the bodies. A Turkish reporter, Faruk Zabci, described the bodies as "practically unidentifiable". He was one of the few reporters present at a news briefing where Gen. Sanchez showed photos. He was able to catch a glimpse, said Zabci, and was shocked at the condition of the corpses. (July 24) At a news conference one day earlier no photos were shown. "'We haven't decided [when]", Rumsfeld told a group of 100 reporters. Sanchez then told this group that identity had been established through dental records and witness statements. ("U.S. To Release Pictures Of Saddam Sons 'Soon'", IslamOnline, July 23.) Other sources: -- "Conspiracy theories abound as US releases Uday-Qusay photos", writes the Hindustan Times - publishing an article by AFP of July 24. This article relies on views held by Baghdadis. It concludes with a suggestion of 'faked' corpses by one interviewee: "Inside a cramped studio, plastics artist Fuad Haman, 41, guesses the two-day delay in showing pictures of Uday and Qusay comes from the elaborate preparations to fake their corpses. "'In a photo, you would never notice the difference,'" says Haman, an expert at making near-life plaster replicas of people. Presumably the Hindustan Times has doubts too. --- IslamOnline also published an article that relied heavily on views by Iraqis: those who were glad - and believed. And those who questioned the logic. "'Unbelievable'" "... it was illogical that they were holing up in a house owned by a well-known chieftain of an Iraqi clan", said one. (IslamOnline, July 23.) --- Perfect timing, suggests an article in the Junge Welt with a touch of irony: "Whether it was really Uday and Qusay who got killed in a shoot-out with US soldiers is open to question. In any case, the news of their death is perfectly timed. 'Thank God, today we are not talking about Niger' said Daniella Pletka of the neoconservative think thank American Enterprise Institute with relief. And the stock market responded euphorically." Regards, Elga Sutter -----------Original Message----------- From: "Ian Iyamu" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <email@example.com> Subject: [casi] America's Uday and Qusay Conjuring Trick Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:13:46 +0100 The following link you must see. I am more than convinced that Uday and Qusay are still alive. http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/hussein.html _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email firstname.lastname@example.org All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk