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Dear Elga & List, Thanx for recent response. My feeling is that, for the moment, we have exhausted our exchanges. To keep on "regurgitating" our points would be non-productive, only resulting in, boringly, circular arguments, taking us forward as much as a hamster in a tread-wheel. You say the Occupation Watch Centre has it's own guidelines, & no-one else has any say in it. OWC, plus other NGOs in Iraq, will, very likely, be closely scrutinised by the media & the public. In gaining experience, they will, inevitably, not function perfectly from the outset, & will learn from their own mistakes. It should be expected that they will also learn from others, in Iraq (I have kept this sentence deliberately vague!). They would not have a 100% preset agenda but would leave room for development. It is, as you say, a nonsensical statement, when Rumsfeld says "stuff happens to free people". Like all propaganda (e.g. Goebbels etc.), however, it contains some truth, despite dismissive cynicism by Mr. Rumsfeld & co. Although the occupier's responsibility remains, Iraqis have options/choices to make, even in their very dire situation. Not to excercise these options would only increase the sense of powerlessness amongst ordinary Iraqis. Peace pipe? No, not literally, as I ain't no 'bacco Jacko. Symbolically, certainly. Frequently, if not always, I have found your writings educational & meaningfull. And I have no doubt that the many friends of CASI would, wholeheartedly, endorse your call for a better world! Calumeteous Greetings, Bert. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email firstname.lastname@example.org All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk