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Re: [casi] Andreas: Zarathustra's Prayer Call



I guess that exactly the point: to continue the struggle in the face of such
daunting odds (see as a dramatic example the alleged suicide of Dr. Kelly), I
don't know how it's possible without some inspiration, pray or analagy like the
fact that the struggle for ending de jure slavery or to resist the legal
requirement in the U.S. to help slavecathchers was even more arduous.

 Am I the only close to despair and in need of more than speficif Iraqi facts.
I would ask Mr./Ms/Dr. Chen and other opponents and proponents in this moment
of great fear (at least in the Us) to elaborate on the boundries of what is
acceptable and why?
Are people offended by my questioning the timing and placement and methodology
of the HRW study that certainly helped keep the plight of the women's children
out of the public consciousness.

in hope and desperation,
tom

emir chen wrote:

> >>Could I reiterate my request that List members not post
> irrelevant, non-Iraq
> >>related posts to this List.
>
> Dear All,
>
> Personally I like John-Peter's message very much. It did
> inspire me. If it is not too much a burden to the List
> members' mailboxes; I am happy to see more reflections like
> this; they add to the List's readability rather than
> detract from it. I myself particularly need inspiration
> like this, as I am a person who is easily frustrated by what
> I perceive as evil but just can't do much about.
>
> ALL the Best,
>
> Emir
>
> ============================
> ----- Original Message -----
> 寄件者: "Voices UK" <voices@viwuk.freeserve.co.uk>
> 收件者: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
> 傳送日期: 2003年7月20日 AM 04:03
> 主旨: Re: [casi] Andreas: Zarathustra's Prayer Call
>
> Dear List Members,
>
> Could I reiterate my request that List members not post
> irrelevant, non-Iraq
> related posts to this List. John-Peter: if you want to send
> a message of
> this nature to Andreas, please do so by e-mailing Andreas
> rather than the
> whole list. I have enough e-mails to delete as it is (as I'm
> sure do many
> others on this List).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Gabriel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John-Peter Hopperger" <j-ph@mindspring.com>
> To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:56 PM
> Subject: [casi] Andreas: Zarathustra's Prayer Call
>
> > Andreas,
> >
> > Here is my attempt at your beautiful selection
> > from the Avesta.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > JPH
> >
> >
> > "Even the wisest among us
> > must not be judge."
> >
> > "He lives his life,
> > the others theirs.
> > GOD only knows the end."
> >
> > ...
> >
> > "I simply know that by doctrines
> > something gets crushed within my heart,
> > that yearning for the good is slowly smothered,
> > and that I'm made to cry for liberation."
> >
> > "Him thus, I call false teacher:
> > who soils what is the innermost,
> > who desecrates my earth for me,
> > and bars my gaze up to the sky,
> > who only makes the clever slyer,
> > imparts no more than earthly gain,
> > beats down the one reaching beyond."
> >
> > ...
> >
> > "Yes, they live well, but off the want of others,
> > whom they defraud out of their pay,
> > and by example they tempt new ones
> > forever with their own corrupted ways."
> >
> > ...
> >
> > "Leaving them be, just what they are,
> > will be penance enough for them.
> > But to make sure they can't grasp farther,
> > discern with me the end to which such doing leads,
> > and have this understanding keep you whole."
> >
> > "Set free for us, once more, this earth,
> > now she is but a sacrifice for those gone mad.
> > Ideologues and victimizers reign in life,
> > but, siding with that life, we will prevail."
> >
> > "Because our life is more than food and drink:
> > Justice it is,
> > and all pervades heaven and earth."
> >
> > ...
> >
> > "You, Oh GOD, doest know:
> > that I pray thus
> > only because I love mankind."
>
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