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Dear Tom & List, After some 5 or 10 mins surfing, I did find something about PDMIN - Pacific Disaster Management Information Network. It isn't anything very thorough nor detailed, & the source (O'Dochartaigh Associates) is vague. This is what it said (O.A.'s words, not mine): "Center of Excellence in disaster & humanitarian assistance. Developed as a direct result of lessons learned in recent crises in the Middle East, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Balkans. Mission is to facilitate civil-military operations and cooperation through integrated education, training, research, information management and operational readiness. A World Health Organization/Pan-American Health Organization Collaberating Center for humanitarian civil- military cooperation. And here is what, so far, I have found out about their track record: 0 . >From: nagy <email@example.com> >To: helen fein <firstname.lastname@example.org> >CC: "Herbert F. Spirer" <email@example.com>, AGS-ISG ><AGS-ISG@cyrus.tcnj.edu>, CANESI <firstname.lastname@example.org>, CASI >list <email@example.com>, Joyce A Apsel <firstname.lastname@example.org>, >MLeitenbergy <MLeitenbergy@cs.com>, OBrugnola <OBrugnola@aol.com>, richard >garfield <email@example.com> >Subject: [casi] RE: Followup 7/8: Public Health Concerns in Iraq-Paper >Clip? >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:28:22 -0400 > >Dear Colleages, > > Well, I agree with Helen: "read the 'report' and see if you could give >this >"report" anything above a C- if it were handed in to you by a group of >sophomores? > > >Does anyone know who/what PDMIN is/are? Anything about their track record? > >Having been a beltway bandit for 4 years, it sure smells like something >from a >beltway bandit (free enterprise entrepeneurs who suck up U.S. gov. $$$ >doing >"directed" research in response for RFPs. Step one in responding to an RFP >is >to say back to the government exactly what it says it wants-- I'm not >kidding. >And this is just in an effort to entice the Eagle to disgorge its gold on >you, >i.e., to be winner of the RFP). > > > In sorrow and disgust that our service members, possibly ex-students of >mine, die and intants die without concern here in the good old USA even >as >the oil is getting protection, lots and lots of it, as the pampered, buffed >"congress members who could end this evil by shaming the U.S. into >providing >safe water immediately , at least for all the children , avoid Iraq or go >only >for quicky photo ops, > >tom > >p.s. And of course U.S. profs act like de-tongued sheep and no wonder, the >very groups like Genocide Scholars and human "rights" groups are >conveniently >silent, extremely quiet or in frank denial. I guess the "gentlemen" the US >recruited in operation "Paper Clip" at the end of WWII taught the >government >real well. Now, the mass killing is ever so much slicker, acceptable, >deniable. > >===== Original Message From helen fein <firstname.lastname@example.org> ===== > >To all recipients: > > > >The early report (on conditions of July 3) with web address was from the >WHO > >website but only the direct URL was given. The PDMIN report coordinates > >information not only from WHO but from other agencies. If you want to go > >directly to the World Health Organization website for the most current > >report, try > >www.who.int/disasters and click on "Iraq Humanitarian Assistance Report > >(PDMIN) July 16, 2003" and for a list of reports by WHO alone (to 7 July) > >click on "Iraq crisis" under list of countries. > > > >The citation from Milton Leitenberg on July 14 is from an e-mail to me. > > > >I trust that readers wishing to verify this information will go to the > >website and read it in its entirety. > > > >Helen Fein > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: " Tom Nagy, Ph.D." <email@example.com> > >To: "helen fein" <firstname.lastname@example.org> > >Cc: <AGS-ISG@cyrus.tcnj.edu>; "richard garfield" <email@example.com>; > >"Herbert F. Spirer" <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <OBrugnola@aol.com>; > ><MLeitenbergy@cs.com>; "Joyce A Apsel" <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; >"CASI > >list" <email@example.com>; "CANESI" > ><firstname.lastname@example.org> > >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:19 PM > >Subject: Re: Followup 7/8: Public Health Concerns in Iraq > > > > > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> > >> Does Helen Fein bother to read the materials she send out? First of > >> all the report she has sent us is not may be from WHO url but the > >> report itself is from something called "Pacific Disaster Management > >> Information Network [PDMIN] Everyone knows the WHO, but who has heard >of > >> PDMIN, which on every page modestly appends the disclaimer, "This > >> report has been compiled from publicly available information...and > >> cannot be guaranteed". > >> > >> Helen, what is this? Bait and switch? You promise us the WHO and > >> but gave us instead PDMIN which admits on every page that it's data > >> cannot be guaranteed and makes no claim that its source is the WHO but > >> rather "publicly available information?" Feels like old times, when you > >> confronted me with press clippings from the NYT instead of primary > >> sources > >> > >> . For example, at p. 3 your MDMIN report claims without any > >> hint of its source that "Baghdad now has about 8 hours of power a day" > >> -- wonderful way to keep in a ruined condition any water treatment > >> system which relies on continuous power. Intermittent power results in > >> continued ruin. Rotate the nouns, would NY or LA try running its water > >> system on 8 hours of power per day unless it wanted to destroy >equipment > >> and kill kids? > >> > >> What fair minded scholar would not find your cite of Leitenberg > >> (limited to the cryptic notation (July 14) anything but pathetic)? The > >> quote ""I [ML} doubt it was US bombing, and there have been no reported > >> that US bombing hit sewage or water purification systems, but several > >> press reports in mid and late June of sabotage of water purification -- > >> presumably ones still obeying Saddam 'government' directions-- and not > >> the the US" would be a joke, an ungrammatical and scarcely coherent > >> one, except for the US's continued killing of Iraqi infants by > >> putting priority on oil rather than safe water, even for infants. > >> This crime that "outrageous the mute earth" endangers our children and > >> those of our allies. Recall that Article 54 forbids under all > >> circumstances "rendering useless" items indispensable to the survival > >> of the civilian population, not merely the destruction or removal of > >> Article 54 infrastructure. > >> > >> Again to rotate the nouns, is Lietenberg so confident that the > >> invasion with its "shock and awe" terror bombing did not burst > >> significant numbers of water and sewage pipes from the concussion >alone, > >> that he would be willing to test his cheerful interpretation by > >> subjecting College Park, MD to an identical bombing and then looking >for > >> leaks (except that in Iraq, the US's blocking of items needed to repair > >> water resulted in a pre invasion leakage rate of about 40%, even before > >> the 2003 invasion) so the comparison would hardly be fair. > >> > >> Of course since the sole cite to Leitenberg is Helen's cryptic > >> (July 14), it's rather had hard to judge if Leitenberg acknowledges >that > >> a good portion of the "sabotage" consisted of Iraqi so desperate for >any > >> water, they pounded or shoot holes in the miserable pipes the U.S. had > >> for so many years prevented from being replaced. Thank you, US killers > >> in stripped suits at the 661 Committee in NY. > >> > >> Neat trick Helen to give us a WHO url that provides, not a WHO > >> report as one might expect, but a hodge podge of tossed together stuff > >> from PDMIN, an organization I've never heard of, but perhaps Helen can > >> educate us all. > >> > >> Finally I cannot believe that Helen and Garfield and Leitenberg > >> are so hard hearted about a demolished people, people that the U.S. > >> demolished under the fig leaf of U.N. sanctions, that they can bear to > >> continue to be utterly indifferent to the fate of US infants whose > >> future relies on a the lives of all infants including Iraqi infants. >Nor > >> can I believe that this trio of Americans can continue to persist in > >> this form of genocide denial that threatens to destroy us all. > >> > >> Om mani padme hum. > >> > >> tom > >> Thomas J. Nagy, Ph.D. > >> Associate Prof. of Expert Systems > >> George Washington University > >> Washington, DC 20052 > >> email@example.com > >> Researcher in Baghdad for Canada's IPPNW affiliate > >> Member: Tikkun Community > >> > >> p.s. Helen, wonder if you would give us a slightly more precise >citation > >> than (July 14) and provide us with ACTUAL WHO reports. Till then may I > >> suggest the shamefully outdated, but best I could find, > >> http://www.who.int/disasters/country.cfm?countryID=28&doctypeID=5 > >> which is at least consists of WHO and UNICEF reports and more modestly > >> the last item at home.gwu.edu/~nagy until I can work with medical > >> doctors and epidemiologists to prepare a through post invasion study > >> during my upcoming sabbatical. > >> > >> May God and the mothers of Iraq forgive us all for act more > >> cowardly than even the "Good German Professors" of the 1940s who could > >> at least claim threat of immediate deportation to death camps with >their > >> families if they spoke out. How can we justify our continued silence? > >> > >> helen fein wrote: > >> ... > >> > >> > Rather than appending 20 pages in response to my e-mail of July 8, > >> > largely consisting of a) personal accusations and defenses (many of > >> > which are defamatory, ad hominem and irrelevant), b) excessive > >> > technical information and c) forwarded forwarded e-mails not intended > >> > for general dissemination, I think it best to frame the central > >> > question of current concern and note an information source you may > >> > use (among your other sources) to make your own judgment. The > >> > question implicit is whether responsibility for damage to Iraq's >water > >> > treatment system and putative decline in public health (which affects > >> > children especially) can be attributed to damage during to >bombardment > >> > in the war, lack of security in Iraq for repair of facilities (due to > >> > armed attacks and looting) or lack of planning or of concern to > >> > maintain the system by the occupying power. Milton Leitenberg (July > >> > 14) said that "I doubt if it was US bombing, and there have been no > >> > reports that US bombing hit sewage or water purification systems, but > >> > several press reports in mid and late June of sabatoge of water > >> > purification and --presumably ones still obeying Saddam 'government' > >> > directions--and not the US.." Tom Nagy (July 11) said that "there are > >> > scores of statement from WHO, UNICEF and CARE, Inc. of the dire > >> > conditions in Iraq....[which] were exacerbated by the massive >invasion > >> > and its inevitable aftermath, given the priority of the US/UK: save > >> > the oil for looting and don't worry excessively about anything else > >> > except possibly force protection of the US/UK militaries." All agree > >> > on the authoritative information reported on the World Health > >> > Organization website: www.who.int/disasters/repo/10216.pdf > >> > >Tom >Thomas J. Nagy, Ph.D. >Assoc. Prof. of Expert Systems >George Washington Univeristy Sch. of Business & Public Mgt. >Washington, D.C. 20052 >home.gwu.edu/~nagy > > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >To unsubscribe, visit >http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >To contact the list manager, email firstname.lastname@example.org >All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email email@example.com All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk