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Dear Andreas & List, Yes, I had seen both, conflicting,versions, but was leaning towards the 3-women version, which you now confirm. However, if anyone, on the List, still harbours any lingering doubts, let these be dispelled by today's message from Mohd Hasn: "Aquila is the name of a woman"!!! A saying that one never steps into the same river twice, i.e. the Governing Council won't be there, in the same shape, for a million years, or, possibly, even a month (remember Clarre Short?). No doubt, we will all be following developments, with - from time-to-time -revised updates. Greetings, Bert G. >From: "AS-ILAS" <AS-ILAS@gmx.de> >To: "casi" <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> >Subject: Re: [casi] Iraqi Governing Council >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:46:00 +0200 > >Dear Bert & list, > >In fact the article "Members of Iraq's Governing Council" >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50836-2003Jul13.html?nav=hpto >p_ts >based on "The Associated Press Sunday, July 13, 2003; 3:10 PM" >had it first wrong: > >"AQILA AL-HASHIMI: A Shiite and diplomat, HE led the Iraqi delegation to >the >New York donor's conference for Iraq. HE holds a doctorate in modern >literature and bachelor's degree in Law." > > >Meanwhile they have corrected it in a update "The Associated Press July >14 —" >http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030714_38.html > >"AQUILA AL-HASHIMI: A Shiite and diplomat, SHE led the Iraqi delegation to >the New York donor's conference for Iraq. SHE holds a doctorate in modern >literature and bachelor's degree in Law." > > >All the ladies now: >http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030714_38.html > >1) AQUILA AL-HASHIMI: A Shiite and diplomat, SHE led the Iraqi delegation >to >the New York donor's conference for Iraq. She holds a doctorate in modern >literature and bachelor's degree in Law. > >2) RAJA HABIB AL-KHUZAAI: A Shiite woman who heads the maternity hospital >in >the southern city of Diwaniyah. She studied and lived in Britain from the >late 1960s until 1977, when she returned to Iraq. > >3) SONDUL CHAPOUK: A Turkoman and a woman from the northern city of Kirkuk. >She was trained as an engineer and teacher. She serves as leader of the >Iraqi Women's Organization. > > >Full updated AP text below. > >Best > >Andreas >---------- > >http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030714_38.html > >A Look at Iraq's Governing Council > >The Associated Press > >July 14 — >Thumbnail sketches of members of Iraq's newly named 25-member Governing >Council: > >AHMAD CHALABI: A Shiite and leader of the London-based anti-Saddam Iraqi >National Congress. Chalabi, a 58-year-old former banker who left Iraq as a >teenager, had been touted in some U.S. government circles as a future Iraqi >leader though he denies he has any ambitions to lead the country. He also >has many critics who are opposed to anyone ruling Iraq after spending so >many years abroad. Chalabi was convicted in absentia of fraud in a banking >scandal in Jordan in 1989 and sentenced to 20 years in prison. His group is >an umbrella organization for a number of disparate groups, including Kurds >and Shiites. > > > > > > >ABDEL-AZIZ AL-HAKIM: A Shiite and a leader of the Supreme Council for the >Islamic Revolution in Iraq. SCIRI, long based in neighboring Iran, opposes >a >U.S. administration in the country but has close ties with the other >U.S.-backed groups that opposed Saddam, including the Kurds and Chalabi's >INC. > >JALAL TALABANI: A Sunni Kurd and leader of the Patriotic Union of >Kurdistan. >He and Massoud Barzani of the Kurdistan Democratic Party led the Kurdish >zone in northern Iraq that had near-autonomy from Saddam's regime since the >1991 Gulf War. Born in Kirkuk Province in 1934, Talabani joined the KDP at >the age of 15 and rose to its politburo in 1953. But he broke with the KDP >and founded the PUK in 1957. > >MASSOUD BARZANI: A Sunni Kurd and leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party. >Barzani, 56, leads the KDP, founded in 1946 by his father, the legendary >mountain warrior Mustafa Barzani. He was a teenager when he became an aide >to his father, then became KDP president when his father died in 1979. In >1983, three of his brothers disappeared in what Kurds call an Iraqi >massacre >of the Barzani clan when 8,000 people were rounded up by the Baghdad >regime. > >IBRAHIM AL-JAAFARI: A Shiite and the main spokesman for the Islamic Dawa >Party. The party, once based in Iran, launched a bloody campaign against >Saddam's regime in the late 1970's, but it was crushed in 1982. The group >said it lost 77,000 members in its war against Saddam. Born in Karbala, >al-Jaafari was educated at Mosul University as a medical doctor. > >NASEER KAMEL AL-CHADERCHI: A Sunni and leader of the National Democratic >Party. He lives in Baghdad and works as a lawyer, businessman and >farmowner. >He is the son of Kamel al-Chaderchi, who played a leading role in Iraq's >democratic development until 1968, when the Baath Party seized power. > >IYAD ALLAWI: A Shiite and secretary-general of the Iraq National Accord. He >is a medical doctor and began opposition to the Iraqi regime in the early >1970's. He was at the forefront of efforts to organize opposition both >within Iraq and abroad. > >ADNAN PACHACHI: A Sunni who served as foreign minister in the government >deposed by Saddam's Baath party in 1968. The respected, 80-year-old >politician founded the Independent Democratic Movement in February to >provide a platform for Iraqis who back a secular, democratic government. He >returned to Iraq in May after 32 years in exile. > >AHMAD SHYA'A AL-BARAK: A Shiite and general coordinator for the Human >Rights >Association of Babel. He also is coordinator for the Iraqi Bar Association. >He has worked with U.N. programs in Iraq since 1991 in the Foreign >Ministry. > >AQUILA AL-HASHIMI: A Shiite and diplomat, she led the Iraqi delegation to >the New York donor's conference for Iraq. She holds a doctorate in modern >literature and bachelor's degree in Law. > >RAJA HABIB AL-KHUZAAI: A Shiite woman who heads the maternity hospital in >the southern city of Diwaniyah. She studied and lived in Britain from the >late 1960s until 1977, when she returned to Iraq. > >HAMID MAJID MOUSSA: A Shiite and secretary of the Iraqi Communist Party >since 1993. He is an economist and petroleum researcher. He left Iraq in >1978 and returned in 1983 to continue his political activities against the >Saddam regime. > >MOHAMMED BAHR AL-ULOUM: A highly respected Shiite cleric who returned from >London where he headed the Ahl al-Bayt charitable center. He was elected as >the Shiite member of a leadership triumvirate by the Iraqi opposition after >the 1991 Gulf War. > >GHAZI MASHAL AJIL AL-YAWER: A Sunni who was born in the northern city of >Mosul. He is a civil engineer and recently vice president of Hicap >Technology Co. in Saudi Arabia. > >MOHSEN ABDEL-HAMID: A Sunni and secretary-general of the Iraqi Islamic >Party. He was born in the northern city of Kirkuk and is author of more >than >30 books on interpretation of the Quran. He was detained in 1996 on charge >of reorganizing the IIP. > >SAMIR SHAKIR MAHMOUD: A Sunni and member of al-Sumaidy clan. A writer from >the western city of Haditha, he was a prominent figure in the opposition to >Saddam's regime. > >MAHMOUD OTHMAN: A Sunni Kurd who is politically independent but a longtime >leader of the Kurdish National Struggle. > >SALAHEDDINE MUHAMMAD BAHAAEDDINE: A Sunni Kurd who was first elected >secretary-general of the Kurdistan Islamic Union in the first conference of >the party in 1994. He was born in the Kurdish village of Halabja and has >written several books in Kurdish and Arabic. > >YOUNADEM KANA: An Assyrian Christian, secretary-general of the Democratic >Assyrian Movement and active member of the Assyrian-Chaldian Christian >community. He was a former minister of public works and housing and a >former >minister of industry and energy in Iraqi Kurdistan. He began activism >against Saddam in 1979. > >MOUWAFAK AL-RABII: A Shiite and longtime human rights activists. A member >of >the British Royal Doctors' College, he practices internal medicine and >neurology. > >DARA NOOR ALZIN: A Sunni Kurd who served as a judge on the Court of Appeal. >He ruled that of Saddam's edicts confiscating land without proper >compensation was unconstitutional. He was sentenced to two years in prison, >eight of them served at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison west of Baghdad >before being released in a general amnesty in October. > >SONDUL CHAPOUK: A Turkoman and a woman from the northern city of Kirkuk. >She >was trained as an engineer and teacher. She serves as leader of the Iraqi >Women's Organization. > >WAEL ABDUL-LATIF: A Shiite lawyer and judge, named governor of the southern >city of Basra on July 4 by local authorities. > >ABDUL-KARIM MAHMOUD AL-MOHAMMEDAWI: A Shiite, dubbed "Prince of the >Marshes" >for leading the resistance movement against Saddam in the southern march >region of Iraq for 17 years. He was imprisoned for six years and leads the >Iraqi political group Hezbollah in the southern city of Amarah. > >ABDEL-ZAHRAA OTHMAN: A Shiite and the leader of the Islamic Dawa Movement >in >Basra. He is a writer, philosopher and political activist, who served as >editor of several newspapers and magazines. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bert Gedin" <gedinbert@hotmail.com> >To: <cathy@twiza.demon.co.uk>; <AS-ILAS@gmx.de> >Cc: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> >Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 01:37 >Subject: Re: [casi] Iraqi Governing Council > > > >Dear Cathy & List, > >The plot thickens - 2 names you give as women seem alright. But your >article >puts a third name as a man, whereas the article I found puts him/her as a >woman: Aquila al-Hashimi. Gender-challenged? >A 'Times' press photo, of Monday, shows at least two women. Next to one is >another ?woman. >Can someone please come to the rescue! > >Greetings, Bert G. > > > >From: Cathy Aitchison <cathy@twiza.demon.co.uk> > >To: AS-ILAS <AS-ILAS@gmx.de> > >CC: casi <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> > >Subject: Re: [casi] Iraqi Governing Council > >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:38:45 +0100 > > > >Thank you for this. > >I heard on the news that 4 women were selected to be on the Governing > >Council - but only 2 are identified below as women: > > >RAJA HABIB AL-KHUZAAI > >and > > >SONDUL CHAPOUK > > > >Can anyone tell me if any of the others are women - or are there in fact > >only 2 women on the Council? > >Thanks > >Cathy > > > >In message <002e01c349cf$06921240$7e2407d5@excalibur>, AS-ILAS <AS- > >ILAS@gmx.de> writes > > > > > > > > >1) Thumbnail sketches of members of Iraq's newly named 25-member > >governing > > >council: > > > > > >2) A text of the authorities of the new Iraqi Governing Council, as > > >described by coalition authorities > > > > > >-------------- > > > > > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50836-2003Jul13.html?nav=hpt >o > > >p_ts > > > > > >Members of Iraq's Governing Council > > > > > > > > >The Associated Press > > >Sunday, July 13, 2003; 3:10 PM > > > > > > > > >Thumbnail sketches of members of Iraq's newly named 25-member governing > > >council: > > > > > >AHMAD CHALABI: A Shiite and leader of the London-based anti-Saddam >Iraqi > > >National Congress. Chalabi, a 58-year-old former banker who left Iraq >as > >a > > >teenager, had been touted in some U.S. government circles as a future > >Iraqi > > >leader — though he denies he has any ambitions to lead the country. >He > >also > > >has many critics who are opposed to anyone ruling Iraq after spending >so > > >many years abroad. Chalabi was convicted in absentia of fraud in a > >banking > > >scandal in Jordan in 1989 and sentenced to 20 years in prison. His >group > >is > > >an umbrella organization for a number of disparate groups, including > >Kurds > > >and Shiites. > > > > > >ABDEL-AZIZ AL-HAKIM: A Shiite and a leader of the Supreme Council for >the > > >Islamic Revolution in Iraq. SCIRI, long based in neighboring Iran, > >opposes a > > >U.S. administration in the country but has close ties with the other > > >U.S.-backed groups that opposed Saddam, including the Kurds and >Chalabi's > > >INC. > > > > > >JALAL TALABANI: A Sunni Kurd and leader of the Patriotic Union of > >Kurdistan. > > >He and Massoud Barzani of the Kurdistan Democratic Party led the >Kurdish > > >zone in northern Iraq that had near-autonomy from Saddam's regime since > >the > > >1991 Gulf War. Born in Kirkuk Province in 1934, Talabani joined the KDP > >at > > >the age of 15 and rose to its politburo in 1953. But he broke with the > >KDP > > >and founded the PUK in 1957. > > > > > >MASSOUD BARZANI: A Sunni Kurd and leader of the Kurdistan Democratic > >Party. > > >Barzani, 56, leads the KDP, founded in 1946 by his father, the >legendary > > >mountain warrior Mustafa Barzani. He was a teenager when he became an > >aide > > >to his father, then became KDP president when his father died in 1979. >In > > >1983, three of his brothers disappeared in what Kurds call an Iraqi > >massacre > > >of the Barzani clan when 8,000 people were rounded up by the Baghdad > >regime. > > > > > >IBRAHIM AL-JAAFARI: A Shiite and the main spokesman for the Islamic >Dawa > > >Party. The party, once based in Iran, launched a bloody campaign >against > > >Saddam's regime in the late 1970's, but it was crushed in 1982. The >group > > >said it lost 77,000 members in its war against Saddam. Born in Karbala, > > >al-Jaafari was educated at Mosul University as a medical doctor. > > > > > >NASEER KAMEL AL-CHADERCHI: A Sunni and leader of the National >Democratic > > >Party. He lives in Baghdad and works as a lawyer, businessman and > >farmowner. > > >He is the son of Kamel al-Chaderchi, who played a leading role in >Iraq's > > >democratic development until 1968, when the Baath Party seized power. > > > > > >IYAD ALLAWI: A Shiite and secretary-general of the Iraq National >Accord. > >He > > >is a medical doctor and began opposition to the Iraqi regime in the >early > > >1970's. He was at the forefront of efforts to organize opposition both > > >within Iraq and abroad. > > > > > >ADNAN PACHACHI: A Sunni who served as foreign minister in the >government > > >deposed by Saddam's Baath party in 1968. The respected, 80-year-old > > >politician founded the Independent Democratic Movement in February to > > >provide a platform for Iraqis who back a secular, democratic >government. > >He > > >returned to Iraq in May after 32 years in exile. > > > > > >AHMAD SHYA'A AL-BARAK: A Shiite and general coordinator for the Human > >Rights > > >Association of Babel. He also is coordinator for the Iraqi Bar > >Association. > > >He has worked with U.N. programs in Iraq since 1991 in the Foreign > >Ministry. > > > > > >AQILA AL-HASHIMI: A Shiite and diplomat, he led the Iraqi delegation to > >the > > >New York donor's conference for Iraq. He holds a doctorate in modern > > >literature and bachelor's degree in Law. > > > > > >RAJA HABIB AL-KHUZAAI: A Shiite woman who heads the maternity hospital >in > > >the southern city of Diwaniyah. She studied and lived in Britain from >the > > >late 1960s until 1977, when she returned to Iraq. > > > > > >HAMID MAJID MOUSSA: A Shiite and secretary of the Iraqi Communist Party > > >since 1993. He is an economist and petroleum researcher. He left Iraq >in > > >1978 and returned in 1983 to continue his political activities against > >the > > >Saddam regime. > > > > > >MOHAMMED BAHR AL-ULOUM: A highly respected Shiite cleric who returned > >from > > >London where he headed the Ahl al-Bayt charitable center. He was >elected > >as > > >the Shiite member of a leadership triumvirate by the Iraqi opposition > >after > > >the 1991 Gulf War. > > > > > >GHAZI MASHAL AJIL AL-YAWER: A Sunni who was born in the northern city >of > > >Mosul. He is a civil engineer and recently vice president of Hicap > > >Technology Co. in Saudi Arabia. > > > > > >MOHSEN ABDEL-HAMID: A Sunni and secretary-general of the Iraqi Islamic > > >Party. He was born in the northern city of Kirkuk and is author of more > >than > > >30 books on interpretation of the Quran. He was detained in 1996 on > >charge > > >of reorganizing the IIP. > > > > > >SAMIR SHAKIR MAHMOUD: A Sunni and member of al-Sumaidy clan. A writer > >from > > >the western city of Haditha, he was a prominent figure in the >opposition > >to > > >Saddam's regime. > > > > > >MAHMOUD OTHMAN: A Sunni Kurd who is politically independent but a > >longtime > > >leader of the Kurdish National Struggle. > > > > > >SALAHEDDINE MUHAMMAD BAHAAEDDINE: A Sunni Kurd who was first elected > > >secretary-general of the Kurdistan Islamic Union in the first >conference > >of > > >the party in 1994. He was born in the Kurdish village of Halabja and >has > > >written several books in Kurdish and Arabic. > > > > > >YOUNADEM KANA: An Assyrian Christian, secretary-general of the >Democratic > > >Assyrian Movement and active member of the Assyrian-Chaldian Christian > > >community. He was a former minister of public works and housing and a > >former > > >minister of industry and energy in Iraqi Kurdistan. He began activism > > >against Saddam in 1979. > > > > > >MOUWAFAK AL-RABII: A Shiite and longtime human rights activists. A >member > >of > > >the British Royal Doctors' College, he practices internal medicine and > > >neurology. > > > > > >DARA NOOR ALZIN: A Sunni Kurd who served as a judge on the Court of > >Appeal. > > >He ruled that of Saddam's edicts — confiscating land without proper > > >compensation — was unconstitutional. He was sentenced to two years in > > >prison, eight of them served at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison west of > > >Baghdad before being released in a general amnesty in October. > > > > > >SONDUL CHAPOUK: A Turkoman and a woman from the northern city of >Kirkuk. > >She > > >was trained as an engineer and teacher. She serves as leader of the >Iraqi > > >Women's Organization. > > > > > >WAEL ABDUL-LATIF: A Shiite lawyer and judge, named governor of the > >southern > > >city of Basra on July 4 by local authorities. > > > > > >ABDUL-KARIM MAHMOUD AL-MOHAMMEDAWI: A Shiite, dubbed "Prince of the > >Marshes" > > >for leading the resistance movement against Saddam in the southern >march > > >region of Iraq for 17 years. He was imprisoned for six years and leads > >the > > >Iraqi political group Hezbollah in the southern city of Amarah. > > > > > >ABDEL-ZAHRAA OTHMAN: A Shiite and the leader of the Islamic Dawa >Movement > >in > > >Basra. He is a writer, philosopher and political activist, who served >as > > >editor of several newspapers and magazines. > > > > > > > > >------------- > > >2) > > > > > > >http://cbsnewyork.com/international/Iraq-Council-Text-ai/resources_news_htm >l > > > > > >A text of the authorities of the new Iraqi Governing Council, as > >described > > >by coalition authorities > > > > > >Monday July 14, 2003 > > > > > >BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) A text of the authorities and responsibilities of >the > > >Iraqi Governing Council that held its inaugural meeting Sunday, >according > >to > > >a document released by the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority: > > > > > > > > >The Governing Council is the principal body of the interim >administration > >of > > >Iraq called for in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1483. It will > >exercise > > >specific powers in addition to representing the interests of the Iraqi > > >people to the Coalition Provisional Authority and the international > > >community. > > > > > > > > >Ministerial authorities: The Governing Council shall name an interim > > >minister for each ministry. Each minister will be responsible to the > > >Governing Council, reporting back to it regularly. The Governing >Council > > >shall have the authority to dismiss ministers should they lose the > >Council's > > >confidence. > > > > > > > > >Policy authorities: The coalition will be required to consult with the > > >Governing Council on all major decisions and questions of policy. The > > >Governing Council shall have the right to set policies and take >decisions > >in > > >cooperation with the coalition in any area of national policy, >including > > >financial and economic reform, education, electoral law, health. > > > > > > > > >The Governing Council shall decide how it wishes to organize itself for > >the > > >purpose of preparing new policies. It may choose to form specialist > > >commissions to generate proposals. It could also include experts from >the > > >United Nations, the coalition or other bodies on such commissions. > > > > > > > > >Foreign Affairs: In addition to naming Iraq's interim minister of >foreign > > >affairs and overseeing his or her work, the Governing Council will > >arrange > > >for international representation during the interim period. Together >with > > >the coalition the Council shall name Iraqi nationals to serve as > > >representatives to international organizations and conferences. The > >Council > > >will also have the authority to appoint heads of Iraq's bilateral > >missions > > >abroad and to receive representatives from other countries. > > > > > > > > >Finance: The Governing Council will name an interim finance minister >and > > >oversee his or her activities. The Council, with the coalition and with > >the > > >involvement of the International Monetary Fund, World Bank and the >United > > >Nations Development Program, will play a full part in drawing up the >2004 > > >national budget. The 2004 budget will be subject to Council approval. >The > > >Council will have the right to consider substantial amendments to the > >2003 > > >emergency budget. It will also have the right to develop policies > >regarding > > >monetary and fiscal matters. > > > > > > > > >Security: The Governing Council shall have the right to prepare >policies > >on > > >matters concerning Iraq's national security, including the rebuilding >and > > >reform of Iraq's armed forces, police and justice sector. The Governing > > >Council will be responsible for ensuring that Iraq's police and >military > >are > > >de-politicized and that the principle of civilian oversight and > >supervision > > >of the military is established. > > > > > >Operational security matters will remain the responsibility of the > >coalition > > >during the period of transition. > > > > > > > > >Consitutional Process: The Governing Council shall consider appointing >a > > >Preparatory Constitutional Commission to recommend a process by which a > >new > > >constitution for Iraq will be prepared and approved. The Commission >would > > >report to the Council. The recommended procedure should lead to a new > > >constitution based on the principles adopted at the Salahuddin and > >Nasariyah > > >conferences. > > > > > >Once adopted, the constitution would pave the way for national >elections > > >leading to a new, fully sovereign Iraqi government which will >immediately > > >take over the powers and responsibilities of the coalition. > > > > > > > > >(Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. 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