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Re: [casi] Talabani & Barzani: What Iraq Needs Now

Turkey Warns U.S. That Its Troops Will Fire Back, Milliyet Says

July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Turkey warned the U.S. that its troops will fire back
at U.S. soldiers if another attempt is made to arrest Turkish soldiers in
Iraq, Milliyet daily reported, without saying how it obtained the

Turkish Military Chief of Staff Hilmi Ozkok issued the warning during a
meeting yesterday with General James Jones, the U.S. commander in Europe,
Milliyet said.

Jones visited Ankara for two hours yesterday after Ozkok called the
detention of Turkish soldiers by U.S. forces last weekend a ``crisis of
confidence'' between the two allies. The 11 Turkish soldiers, who were
detained by U.S. forces in northern Iraq Friday on suspicion they were
involved in an alleged plot to harm Iraqi officials, were released Sunday.

Turkey has thousands of troops in parts of northern Iraq to prevent Kurds
from Turkey who have set up bases in Iraq from establishing an independent
Kurdish homeland. Some analysts have said the U.S. probably wants Turkish
troops out of Iraq. Relations between Turkey and the U.S. have been strained
since before the start of the war because Turkey refused to allow the U.S.
to use Turkish bases to stage the attack against Iraq.

Last Updated: July 9, 2003 02:27 EDT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Parkinson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [casi] Talabani & Barzani: What Iraq Needs Now

Quite a lot of nasty things have happened in 'free' Kurdistan as
well. These two leaders are pretty dodgy.

Will the Kurds lose out yet again at the hands of the West? Who was
supporting SH before, during and after Halabja? Who created the story
that the Iranians did it?

After the first Gulf War and during the sanctions, the Iraqi
Government made serious proposals about autonomy for the Kurds. I
think that they should have gone for it - they were bound to get a
good deal. However, the Kurds' corrupt leaders seemed to be quite
happy to go along with the Kurds simply being used by the US/UK to
keep pressure on Iraq - with the Kurds and Iraqis being the losers.

On 9 Jul 2003 at 12:25, wrote:
> In a message dated 7/9/2003 4:34:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
> > Some day, we Iraqis hope to celebrate an Independence Day like the
> > one Americans have just observed. But for the near future we face
> > the challenge of translating liberation into democracy ?" a goal we
> > Kurds will push for even more diligently now that we have agreed to
> > join the interim Iraqi administration that will be formed this
> > month. To that end, we will work closely with the United States to
> > establish security, revive the economy and build a democratic
> > culture.
> >
> wellnow how silly of me not to have understood the sequence:
> liberation, democracy, then independence...forgive me if i get
> confused with such logical and currently fashionable "roadmaps". as a
> distant observer, i would perhaps take this article more seriously if
> it were accompanied by a footnote to the effect that it was cleared
> through the offices of bremer et al. as a political manifesto, the
> article lacks intellectual honesty and integrity and brings out echos
> of pronouncements made in other times by quisling, petain et al...and
> of many other "remembrances of things past". perhaps talabani and
> barzani could emphasize working more with other iraqis to end the
> occupation, but of course that would not please bremer...did they ask
> rumsfeld to explain halabja? of course not. tony

Mark Parkinson

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