Re: [casi] AOL Headline- Does Iraq have banned weapons?

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TRANSCRIPT, FOX NEWS TV VIDEO, TONY SNOW
(This is a partial transcript of Special Report with Brit Hume, May 30, that
has been edited for clarity. Click here to order the complete transcript.)


Greg Copley, president of the International Strategic Studies Association,
joins us now to discuss the matter.

No.1, is it possible after the war, or even during the war, that Iraq could
have either moved or destroyed all weapons of mass destruction, so there's
nothing there right now?

GREG COPLEY, PRESIDENT, INTERNATIONAL STRATEGIC STUDIES ASSOCIATION: Well,
there's still a lot of Iraq to search. However, in August-September last
year, they moved huge amounts of fissile material, chemical, and biological
material to a Comishly, a town in Syria, just across the border, from Iraq,
to the Hishishi compound there. So, they -- they consistently moved weapons,
laboratories, documents, and so on there for safekeeping during the war.

SNOW: All right. So, you're absolutely persuaded that there were extensive
weapons of mass destruction before the fact. There is no possibility, in
your mind that the weapons simply did not exist ever?

COPLEY: There is -- there is no possibility of that at all. In fact, Iraq
has also had a program with about 10,000 to 20,000 engineers, scientists,
and so on, and specialists in Libya working on delivery systems for these
weapons; or working on modifications to No-Dong missiles, which...

SNOW: Which are the North Korean missiles?

COPLEY: The North Korean missiles, which were procured by Iraq, but - -
went -- were shipped to Libya for work there. So, virtually all of the
Libyan heavy strategic weapons work was moved out of the country some time
ago. The laboratories for the actual weapons and warheads themselves was
being done in Iraq and moved out, let's say, in August-September, last year.
We've tracked that definitively to the Hishishi compound in el Comishly.

SNOW: Is it -- is it, your sense the stuff is still there...

COPLEY: Yes.

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----- Original Message -----
From: <bob.steel1@juno.com>
To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [casi] AOL Headline- Does Iraq have banned weapons?


> A pint to a pound, as an estimate for water. Keep that in mind for a few
> moments...
>
> I heard an interview with Woolsey on BBC last night ("Agenda" show). They
> talked about chemical weapons, and the idea that were destroyed just
> before the war. Why didn't anyone see them being destroyed the
> interviewer wanted to know? There were accusations they were hidden in
> schools, so why didn't people or satellites see them moved or destroyed?
>
> Woolsey explained it: The chemical and biological weapons aren't like
> missiles -- it only takes a little bit and they don't take up much room.
> They could easily have been destroyed in secret, he said. Small
> quantities could never be picked up by satellite, or even noticed by
> observers on the ground.
>
> >``Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a >stockpile of
> between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons >agent,'' Powell said at the
> United Nations in February.
>
> Woolsey also mentioned in the interview about the hundreds of tons of the
> stuff. But wait -- "a pint to a pound". 500 tons of chemicals would be
> about 500 tons of water -- unless it was dry and would then likely take
> up more space.
>
> Let me work this out -- check my math...
>
> A friend gave me a case of Piast Polish beer, pint bottles, which has 20
> pints in the box. Good sized box -- about 10" x 11" x 15" (0.955 cubic
> feet). If one were to plan a party for the night the wife went to opera,
> and get a few cases of that, it would be doubtful one could hide it from
> her. If I wanted a huge party, with 10 cases (200 pints) I would need a
> station wagon to cart home the beer.
>
> A pint to a pound! 500 tons of beer would be a million pints -- 50,000
> cases of beer! Talk about alcohol poisoning!!! Could we afford to hire
> the fleet of trucks to cart that much? An 8x8x40 foot trailer has 2560
> cubic feet (and could haul about that many cases). Hauling 50,000
> well-packed cases of Piast would need 20 big tractor-trailers. (Don't
> look in the back yard, my dear, or the yards of the rest of the people on
> the block.)
>
> And yet the satellites seemingly had no trouble picking up just two
> trucks to be reported to the UN by Mr. Powell -- even to insisting what
> sort they were, and what they were used for. One might think that
> Woolsey, as former head of the CIA, and recently slated for a top
> position in post-carnage Iraq, might have figured out the problem with
> this story.
>
> But then he also quoted the NY Time's story by Julia Miller as an
> "intelligence source" to help him make his case. You remember -- the
> Julia Miller who never got close to the alleged Iraqi defector, never
> talked to him or knew who he was, who supposedly told the Army, who told
> Miller, and then vetted her story -- yes, THAT intelligence source. Poor
> Woolsey: even with the above mention credentials, as well as being a
> well-in member of various high-end defense advisory boards, large
> corporations, JINSA, and a player in PNAC, must now depend on Julia
> Miller's story because, as he said, he isn't well connected anymore.
>
> Set back in your comfy chair, Mr. Woolsey, and knock down a few more
> pints, and see if you can work out all this hidden weapons in Iraq stuff
> a second time.
>
>  "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!"
>
>
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