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re: [casi] ! petition warning !



Dear Salwa,

you write: "I would have thought twice about signing, or at least asked not
to have my name included in the online version for the very reason we are
now seeing happening, i.e. people simply copying & pasting our names onto
other petitions."

This has not happened, because it is the same petition. People copied and
pasted the petition including the signatures to different discussion sites.
I can understand that this is maybe not a correct thing to do, as Anai
wrote. But I've seen so many efforts against this war, i've seen so many
initiatives appear, and I found it very hopeful: so many people worldwide
joining their efforts against this war, demonstrating with 30 million people
on the same day. It was never seen before. I tend to trust the
peace-movements worldwide. We have to trust each other if we're aiming the
same goal. And people can make mistakes, but have they really made a
mistake?

Your signature has not been used for any other reason than the one it was
meant for. You can be sure of that. If your signature has been adopted by
different websites, it is combined with the "international peace appeal",
and nothing else. Our contacts, and the solidarity worldwide made it
possible to translate the appeal in 8 languages. So why shouldn't they adopt
the appeal for their own website and distribute it in their countries? I
really don't see the problem. And why does the attack come at this moment,
when part of the anti-sanctions movement is about to collapse? Is it a
coincidence? I wonder.

We're all together in this, so we need each other to row against the stream
of the Bush empire. If we row alone, we will drown in the sea of the Fourth
Reich.
If we don't work together, if we don't have a little trust in what
peace-movements worldwide are doing, we may as well crawl into our grave.

I really congratulate you with the wonderful actions you do in Leiden,
Salwa. And I hope I didn't cause you too much trouble. I didn't mean to.

Dirk.

 ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salwa de Vree" <sdevree@email.com>
> To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [casi] ! petition warning !
>
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> > Dear Dirk,
> >
> > I know of the wonderful work you and Luk are doing with your SOS Iraq
> action
> > group & website. I strongly endorse and praise all that you do. And of
> course
> > I remember our joint effort last October in our solidarity with
Palestine
> and
> > Iraq campaign. Luk was indeed there with an Iraq stand, but I do not
> remember
> > whether or not I signed a petition then; I may well have. The point
> however,
> > is that, had I known you were going to place it online like that, I
would
> have
> > thought twice about signing, or at least asked not to have my name
> included in
> > the online version for the very reason we are now seeing happening, i.e.
> > people simply copying & pasting our names onto other petitions. You
write
> > "Without our knowledge, different people have sent the petition to
> different
> > discussion-groups. Several websites all around the world (Germany,
Spain,
> > Italy, Russia, Latin-America....) have adopted the petition and have put
> the
> > names of endorsers also on their website". So it would seem that it is
now
> > pointless to ask to have our/my name removed from the online version.
You
> > cannot be blamed for the illegal (according to Anai) actions which
others
> have
> > taken in copying the names which were given to you, but I am sure you
will
> > appreciate that it concerns some of us, some more than others. It should
> be a
> > lesson for any one of us wishing to start a petition, to include some
sort
> of
> > safety mechanism for the signatories and at the very least, not make it
so
> > blatantly easy for others to (ab)use our names.
> >
> > I am also wondering, actually, what was the point of this petition, as I
> > cannot find anywhere any mention of who/where the petition was intended
to
> be
> > sent to?
> >
> > Please forgive me for having over-reacted a bit to finding my name
> somewhere
> > where it should not have been.
> >
> > Salwa de Vree.
> >
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