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[ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] Dear Anai, the message posted on the 18th of october 2002 to the Yahoo group, is the "international peace appeal" that you signed, with a very partial list of endorsers. I checked it. So nobody has used your name for another petition. And if they should do so, I'd be the first to oppose. I agree with you that names can not be used for another petition than the one you have signed. But it is the same appeal. That's why I wrote that I don't see the problem. The second thing is that I find it very hard to be accused of using names of people that did not really sign the petition. It would undermine our credibility if we would use such practices. I have sent the letter of 15 october, where her name is mentioned, to Salwa. You know we introduced a new appeal: "No Impunity for War Crimes committed by U.S. Troops in Iraq!" http://www.irak.be/ned/missies/medicalMissionColetteGeert/CourtCaseFranks.htm to support the court case against General Tommy Franks. We did not use the names of the "International Peace appeal" as endorsers for the new appeal. That would be a stupid thing to do. I think we always act correctly, and we do not abuse the names of persons. With "spreading solidarity", I did not mean that people can use your name for any petition, but that several websites worldwide can put the "international peace appeal" on their website, or make a link to it (which I prefer). Dear Anai, I have signed your petition "Lift Sanctions in Iraq - Say NO to war" at http://www.thePetitionSite.com/takeaction/411151486. I still stand by it. Why should I want to have my signature removed? Everybody can see my name. Companies can abuse my name. The CIA can even add my name to their list of people opposed to the war in Iraq. It could ruin my future. The persons that signed your petition could be all communists. They are all terrorists anyway, in the view of Bush. Perhaps if we stay quiet and not stick our neck out and let Bush continue to set the world on fire, we may have a bright future. Yours in struggle for peace. Dirk. www.irak.be ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anai Rhoads" <anai56@hotmail.com> To: <dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be>; <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [casi] ! petition warning ! > > > Dirk, > > The only problem we would have is that our names were posted on a web site > that implies promoton of communism.. without our permission. This is the > method used with spam. A company seeks out those similar interest and spams > them accordingly. There is a clear-cut difference between solidarity and > illegal use of a signature. It was clearly without consent. It would be like > you giving me your e-mail and me selling it to others. What was done is > actually illegal. > > Not that I am upset with you, but to say ". I really don't see the > problem. And I don't see bad intentions here. I would call this "spreading > solidarity." is quite dismissive and missing the point of how this can ruin > someone. > > You have been known to be a very kind person, and I do not believe you meant > to do any harm. If possible, please have my name removed. I would greatly > appreciate your assistance. > > Thanks Dirk. > > Anai > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Dirk Adriaensens" <dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be> > To: <soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk>, "Anai Rhoads" <anai56@hotmail.com>, > "Salwa de Vree" <sdevree@email.com> > Subject: Re: [casi] ! petition warning ! > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:32:37 +0200 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from sojef.skynet.be ([195.238.2.127]) by mc7-f21.law1.hotmail.com > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:33:00 -0700 > Received: from pc1 (75.204-136-217.adsl.skynet.be [217.136.204.75]) > by sojef.skynet.be (8.12.9/8.12.9/Skynet-OUT-2.21) with SMTP id > h51GWkMJ022658;Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:32:47 +0200 (envelope-from > <dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be>) > X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP > Message-ID: <00de01c3285b$69cf8ad0$0100a8c0@pc1> > References: <20030601023611.1612.qmail@email.com> > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > Return-Path: dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 16:33:00.0812 (UTC) > FILETIME=[7779ECC0:01C3285B] > > Dear Salwa, Dear list, > > we initiated the petition "Stop the United States of Aggression" somewhere > in september, against the thread of war against Iraq". And a lot of people, > also listmembers of CASI, signed this petition, as you may have noticed on > http://www.irak.be/ned/kalender/peacepledgeSOSIraq.htm. I still receive > signatures to support this petition, because it is obvious Bush won't stop > with Iraq. > > On the 13th of october your group "Leidse Werkgroep voor Palestijnse > Belangen" held a conference in Leiden in solidarity with Palestine and Iraq. > There was Tanya Reinhard, Gretta Duisenberg, Luk Brusselaers (one of the > initiators of the petition), and Ludo Keersmaekers, a member of SOS Iraq > Belgium. On the 15th of october Ludo has sent me a mail with signatures he > gathered on that conference. Your name was on that list, so I have put your > name on line among the other endorsers of this appeal. > > Your group organises a new conference in Leiden on the 15th of june 2003 in > cooperation with a.o. one of the initiators of the petition: Luk > Brusselaers, responsible of "SOS Kinderen Irak Nederland". Jo Cottenier will > attend to the conference as a speaker. He is the responsible of "StopUsa", > meaning: "Stop the United States of Aggression", which is the Belgian > Peace-movement that initiated the peace-appeal (SOS Iraq was co-founder of > this movement), and that emerged from that peace appeal. > > The appeal was a tremendous success, also because it was translated in 8 > languages. Without our knowledge, different people have sent the petition to > different discussion-groups. Several websites all around the world (Germany, > Spain, Italy, Russia, Latin-America....) have adopted the petition and have > put the names of endorsers also on their website. I really don't see the > problem. And I don't see bad intentions here. I would call this "spreading > solidarity". > > If you want your name removed from the list, please feel free to send me an > e-mail. > > I'm sorry if I have caused you any trouble. > > Yours in struggle for peace. > Dirk Adriaensens. > www.irak.be > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salwa de Vree" <sdevree@email.com> > To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 4:36 AM > Subject: [casi] ! petition warnig ! > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > Once again, I find my name on a petition which I most certainly did not > endorse - not because I disagree with it, but because I never even heard of > it. But this time I find other CASI names on it too, including Felicity and > Anai. > > > > For the record: as to my name, for this very reason, I NEVER sign > petitions online! If anyone ever comes across my name on ANY petition > online, rest assured that I did NOT sign it. > > > > Salwa de Vree, > > Leiden, The Netherlands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. > > To unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss > > To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk > > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. 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