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[casi] RE: [casi]-- Is CASI worth keeping? More doubts, more lieoids

Till the list managers take a stand on lies and lieoids (outdated, misleading
distractions from the big picture) -- I assume that the former CASI
committment to trying to keep alive at least Iraqi kids is not longer
"inopperative". Witness is out, defense in the form of honest re e.g., George
Galloway is out.

   Case in point, compare my more recent wire service story below indicated 38
confirmed cases of cholera in Basra (and doubtless more unreported cases
according to WHO) and the note of real alarm by WHO vs. the rather dated feel-
good earlier version lieoid just posted on CASI. Mine (below is the latest I
could find on yahoo, evidently Mr/Ms Shames ultimate touch stone of reality --
hell,  why bother to read primary documents; just a waste of time for

  Where are the CASI list managers who can be such tigers? May I respectfully
point out there are more than one way to compromise CASI. Hey, why not sell
the CASI archive to Rupert Murdock or if that's too blatent sell it to the
nice folks at Harvard examining the crimes of S.H. but S.H. alone who seemed
to drop out of skies, rather than the recipient of laundered or unlaundered
money, intel, arms, biological, etc. by the US-UK defenders of democracy and
hammers of terror (apart from their own).


p.s. Hats off to the guided democracy of Kuwait -- why their leadership is as
honest as  Chicago judges -- loyal lapdogs of $$$, making more than a couple
bucks in the process; the health minister sounds like a jewel in the crown of
America and UK.


>===== Original Message From Ahmed Shames <> =====
>----- Original Message -----
>From: " Tom Nagy, Ph.D." <>
>To: "Ahmed Shames" <>
>Cc: <>
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [casi]-- Is CASI worth keeping?
>Dear List and Overworked List Managers,
>This stuff below from the learned and compassionate Mr. Shames strikes me as
>obscene now that the WHO and UNICEF
>have gone beyond reporting cases of cholera in S. Iraq to reporting actual
>epidemic (though AP quotes the Health
>Minister of Kuwait as saying in effect, "no big deal, meds are available."
>It's a safe bet the right honorable gentleman from the Kuwait "guided
>democracy" has no kids at a risk and
>he either does not know or care (won't even speculate on which) that even in
>ideal circumstances a chlolera epidemic
>is grave -- hardly an easy "adverse" event to handle.
>What will it take the "gentlemen" of this listserv to devote some words to
>to strategizing and acting to halt the
>the prospect of as many as 300,000 more Iraqi deaths in a very short time
>(incubation of cholerate is approx. less
>than one wk) rather such useful intelligence as Scott Ritter is "all over
>the place" and other great truths.
>If CASI continues to fiddle (gather cool objective facts, repeat Fox News
>quality reporting and speculation to
>the exclusion of facts to act on), I'm prepared to be a contrarian and say,
>archive the bloody thing and move on. If
>that so torques the powers that be that I'm kicked off the list for conduct
>unbecoming a gentlemen, so be it. I guess
>I have never been 1/10 the gentlemen that some of my betters have been.
>Will all 300,000 Iraqis die before the list managers insist on the common
>sense and elemenary pragmatism needed by
>the urgency of the past 13 years. Or maybe I'm too dense to see that it's
>far better to play the U.S. media game of
>worrying about every last cent being accounted for (despite the fact that
>OFFhad the lowest rate of theft of anything
>in its league in the history of the UN.
>I'm all for the solid scholarship that CASI used to shoot holes through the
>UK gov. propaganda, but it's getting
>late in the day to receiters and elaborators of Fox news and its variants
>crowd out discussion of wether its long
>past due to to tell US/UK politicians who profess to be humanitarians to get
>their r pampered, blow-dryied bodies into
>Basra and bear witness, at the very least or we will look for other leaders.
>Tom, who refuses to play games, may fall flat on his face, but at least will
>try to save a life or two.
>Ahmed Shames wrote:
>> [ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ]
>> RT wrote:
>> "Under the Oil For Food Program Iraq had no direct access and it's
>impossible they could have
>> "stashed" any funds from it anywhere."
>> I am sorry, but did you actually read the article?
>> "Iraq asked foreign companies to give it cash on top of the goods bought
>under the oil for food deal"
>> Hassan knew that Saddam tried to get money illegally from the oil for food
>> "Iraq tried to make companies pay an extra 15 cents per barrel outside the
>discount to provide the cash it needed"
>> He also seems to have known where the money was spent on. (I wonder how he
>managed to!!)
>> Was any money spent on building humble palaces by any chance?
>> Ahmed
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Thomas J. Nagy, Ph.D.
Assoc. Prof. of Expert Systems
George Washington Univeristy Sch. of Business & Public Mgt.
Washington, D.C. 20052

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