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Re: [casi] [Fwd: Harvest time: occupier vs. occupied




Elga has saved me the trouble of posting a long reply
to Alexander Sternberg's message. I will only address
his use of words...

>From the European Journal of International Law

http://www.ejil.org/journal/Vol2/No2/art6-01.html#TopOfPage

"Tracing their origin back to the Medes who conquered
Nineveh in 612 BC, the Kurds assert that they are a
distinct nation which has never really acquired
political independence. It is more likely that the
ancestors of the Kurds came from several sources; some
from Turkic, Armenian, or Assyrian tribes, but most
probably from Indo-European groups. While the Kurds
have a north-western Iranian linguistic origin in
common, they are separated by two major dialects with
considerable local variation and a number of
sub-dialects, which seems to make communication
between the various tribes and regions difficult,
though possible. Tribal structures have traditionally
dominated Kurdish society and continue to do so to a
remarkable extent. A clear national identity began to
emerge in a class of urban Kurdish intellectuals in
the second half of the 19th century, but tribalism as
well as regional and feudal loyalities stood in the
way of its development on a broad scale. Thus, in
practice, the Kurds never achieved unity in their
struggle for independence against foreign domination,
but remained always at least as much involved in
fighting each other as combatting Turkish, Iraqi or
Iranian troops."

Thus when one talks of "occupied" and "occupier", one
has to understand history first. Failure to do so
would expose the ignorance and fake intellectuality.

The Kurds themselves believe they only came to area in
612 BC. By then, the whole area was already inhabited
by different Semitic groups and tribes, and the
Semites had already ruled large parts of the area and
established different civilizations.

Which takes us to the issue of who the Semites are.

No two historians disagree that the Semites existed in
Arabia for at least 10 000 years; some go as far as
saying that the Semites existed there for almost 100
000 years!
By the end of the last Ice period, when the Arabian
Peninsula started drying up, those tribes moved
eastwards and westwards seeking water and vegetation.
They found that on the shores of the Euphrates in the
East, and the Nile in the West. Thus started the
world's earliest and greatest civilizations.
In Mesopotamia, historians now believe that although
the oldest civilization may be the non-Semitic
Sumerian, the Semites existed there before the
Sumerians came to the area, seemingly from the north…
Those Semites were ARABS, having come from Arabia,
with languages that belong to the same family as
Arabic.

And so we come to Mr. Alexander Sternberg's message
and his selective use of words and lack of knowledge
of history..

The Kurds are, by their own admission, "occupiers" of
land that is not theirs, regardless of the fact that
that occupation occurred two millennia ago.. Mr.
Sternberg did not specify a time limit to when the
occupation should have occurred. Or has he??
The oldest inhabitants of the land are Arabs; a fact
that even Mr. Sternberg would not dare challenge.

Alexander Sternberg says "Stifling the right-of-return
in a manner perceived to maintain the status quo is
just not on. The occupiers know who they are. The
occupied know who they are. The fault line is clear.
Pressure is building that could be released through
earthquakes or through harmonic tremors, to use
volcanology terms."

I fully agree. I suggest Mr. Sternberg tells that to
the Israelis; to the Europeans in North and South
America; to the Turks in Anatolia (now Turkey); to the
Turks in Cyprus; to the English in Ireland; to the
Turks in Iskenderun (Alexandretta); to the Iranians in
the Arab islands in the Gulf and in Arabstan; to the
British in Gibraltar and the Falklands, etc..

These are all cases of clear occupations by foreign
forces of lands that are not theirs. So why did
Alexander Sternberg chose the wrong example of Iraqi
Kurdistan for his crusade??

This is not the time to discuss the history and nature
of the Kurdish movement in Iraq, and I doubt that
Alexander Sternberg would be interested in hearing
anything that does not agree with his opinions.

Alexander Sternberg states: "Third party intervention
into prevailing environments could generate
undesirable and avoidable consequences."

I fully agree. If only he would follow his own advice
and let Iraqis decide their fate without intervention
by people like him in their affairs..

Best
HZ






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