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Dear Elga & List, You make some very good points of debate, in your recent e-letter. But why be so apologetic, and so sorry? You remind me of a female Atlas, who is carrying a burden of guilt upon her, perhaps on behalf of the Western world. And yet, despite "not in our name!", maybe that is a quality we should have more of, which may even lead to some hope? Greetings, Bert. >From: H Sutter <firstname.lastname@example.org> >To: email@example.com >Subject: Re:[casi] Memorable quotes: 'the white hope' >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:09:59 -0400 (AST) > > >Thank you, Hassan, for putting the record straight and >filling in details. Sorry about mangling facts and events. > >Needless to say, I know very little about the actual >happenings, let alone the complexities. And I look at it >from a 'foreign intervention' perspective - in this case >the US. So I was tempted to use the strongest interpretation >of the CIA coup involvement I could find. > >What prompted me to bring this up was your exchange with >the IPO spokesperson. But I should have been more to the >point. > >I agree with what you said to the spokesperson. Your >rebuttal seems reasonable to me. And my reaction to people >who advocate, from a safe distance, the bombing of their >compatriots (or any other human beings) as an act of >'liberation' is the same as yours. The claim that this is >what _most_ Iraqis want sounds like sheer arrogance, if not >ignorance. And why the euphemism? Bombing is bombing. > >But the US/UK governments and the western media generally >seem to have the misguided notion that the victim's _approval_ >would make the intended slaughter palatable. And they hope >that the 'liberation' ploy will wipe out the acts of genocide >inflicted by the sanctions regime. That's why they are >invoking all these 'Iraqi voices'. > >For IPO's interest, I am going to cite Haifa Zangana, an >Iraqi writer living in London. Ms Zangana was a communist >arrested and tortured in 1972. She was imprisoned for six >months and left Iraq two years later, at 23. (She wrote >about her experience in a novella _Through the Halls of >Memory_.) > >Yet in September 2002 Ms Zangana wrote in the Guardian: >"This war plan forces me to stand by the dictator who >tortured me." > >This is not, of course, an endorsement of Mr. Hussein >or of the status quo. It is a commitment to her people. >And she has an option which the war propagandists >won't permit: > >Ms Zangana believes that if the sanctions were lifted, >Iraqis could "regain their dignity, regain their power." >Once "they don't have to worry every day about finding >enough to eat", she says, "they will be capable of changing >the regime and dealing with this themselves. I am a great >believer in the Iraqi people." > >But this solution wouldn't advance the interests of US >hegemony, specifically the control of oil. > >About the much-touted 'moral case' and a 'liberating' >occupation, Ms Zangana says this: > >As to "Saddam Hussein, he hasn't been invented out of >nowhere. It's a well-known fact he's been supported by >the West, supplied with all kinds of weapons along the >years. We should be realistic. If we think of the long-term >solution, Iraqis, no matter how much they hate Saddam, >they're not going to accept any kind of occupation." > >Still, I can understand other views if they have the ring >of sincerity and conviction. For example, another Iraqi >writer, also communist living in the West, explains >how he had to flee Iraq at a moment's notice. He considers >his experience only. I also read the views of two Iraqi >women living in Jordan, one them the writer Betool Khedairi. >She is afraid of a war in Iraq, says Khedairi - doesn't >explicitly advocate it. But she wants to see the isolation >and the pain ended. She remembers the liberal Iraqi middle >class of her youth. Women were working, Iraqis were wide >open to foreign ideas and philosophies, and life was good. > >While also arguing from a safe distance, none of these three >people actually lobbies the foreign invaders to get on with >the bombing - as IPO has done. Nor do they aim ad hominem >shots at Saddam Hussein or peace proponents to make their >case - as IPO, and lots of other people are doing. > >I find the logic behind these attacks alarming. It seems to >follow the Bush dictum: "you are either with us, or against >us". Accordingly, bombing is compassion; invasion is >liberation; and a genocidal sanctions regime is a humanitarian >program. Proponents of peace are variously described as >'Saddam's stooges, useful idiots, peace mob', etc. Opposition >to war and of US foreign policy is denounced as anti-Americanism, >anti-Semitism, or a call for murder. The German peace movement >has been called supporters of the Ba'ath Party. And von Sponeck >is dubbed a 'lobbyist for Saddam Hussein'. > >Enough already! Why not bring back the inquisition and the >stake to purge all those inconvenient dissenters. And welcome >back to the Dark Ages. Instead of the crazy popes of that time, >we have George Bush, fomenter of war hysteria and hatred. > >What I find singularly off-putting is the moral high >horse the war endorsers are riding. As someone aptly said >in 2001: 'The path of US foreign policy is drenched in blood.' > >That's why I dug out these Akins' quotes, Hassan. Akins >is actually applauding the killing of hapless human beings, >given that communists and leftists _are_ human beings - >"a great development" he calls it. > >The US even _saved_ specialists from the German SS after >WWII to achieve this "great development" worldwide. These >people were used for guerilla (terrorist?) activities in >the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. Klaus Barbie (Butcher >of Lyon) who organized the deportation of French Jews to >German gas chambers was also _saved_ by the US. He was >brought to Bolivia under the name Klaus Altmann. There >he worked for the CIA, setting up death squads that killed >and tortured leftist politicians and trade unionists all >over Latin America. (And when the law finally caught up with >Barbie, he was no longer a CIA asset - 'our hands are clean'.) > >So the moral stance is a bit hard to take - from Bush & Co, >and from the IPO spokespersons. No doubt, SH denies Iraqis >the means to express themselves 'freely'. But for 12 years >the US has been denying them the means to live: food, >medicine, education, employment, outside contacts - and >above all hope. Parents who lack food or medicine, or young >people whose future has been blighted by an artificially >created poverty have no strength left to yearn for political >self-expression. > >I didn't mean to say all this, and I hope I haven't offended >anyone. But that's how I feel at the eve of another barbaric >crime against humanity by those who claim to defend 'civilization'. > >Best wishes, >Elga Sutter > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >To unsubscribe, visit >http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >To contact the list manager, email firstname.lastname@example.org >All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Chat online in real time with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email email@example.com All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk