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I don't normally post here, just read, because I'm in the U.S. and understand that this is limited to issues affecting the UK's stance. But this seems the right time to add to Mark's arguments with the person who seems to have fallen for the "war-to-liberate-Iraqis" line this: CNN's Nic Robertson, on Sunday night from Baghdad, affirmed that Saddam is passing out weapons to the citizenry to help defend their country. I don't have an URL or a second confirmation, but this does NOT seem a action done for people who consider the U.S./UK their "liberators." I saw this same thing happen in the eighties in Nicaragua, when the media touted the Sandinistas as U.S. enemies and proclaimed the need to liberate the people. U.S. citizens living in Managua marched weekly around the U.S. embassy with signs saying, "Please don't liberate us." I know. I was there and I too demonstrated at the U.S. embassy, and I was later hassled by customs and, most likely, the state department as well. The lies abounded back here and many still survive. At any rate, the Sandinistas passed out guns to people who wanted them so that they could protect themselves in the event of a U.S. invasion (which, aside from mining their harbor, never occurred). Of COURSE there are Iraqis outside the country who support the invasion. There are Cubans outside Cuba who would support dropping a low level nuke on Castro. Lots of things going on wherever any issue is involved. But the people of Iraq, from every source I can find, do NOT want to be "liberated"/killed. It's simply one more lie from the hawks here, all for their own agendas. What do these "let's-liberate-Iraqis" people say about the number of Iraqis killed by the sanctions? Have the sanctions liberated ANYONE? If I may (and won't again, especially if asked not to), I'm including the URL for an article I wrote yesterday, which gets to the point of governments vs. their people. At: http://americaheldhostile.com/ed031103-1.shtml The sanctions and the direct killing that's upon us are unspeakably evil, supported by lies. But beneath that is an even greater threat, world domination by the people who put Bush into power. I think Blair just doesn't "get it." Lisa ===== "When I see flags sprouting on official lapels, I think of the time in China when I saw Mao's Little Red Book on every official's desk, omnipresent and unread." (Bill Moyers) "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." (Shakespeare) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email firstname.lastname@example.org All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk