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[ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] In a message dated 02/03/03 23:08:23 GMT Standard Time, Tcapj writes: > Re: [casi] Turkey Parliament Rejects U.S. Troops > Date:02/03/03 23:08:23 GMT Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:Tcapj">Tcapj</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:dermoyn@onetel.net.uk">dermoyn@onetel.net.uk</A> > > > > In a message dated 02/03/03 22:05:01 GMT Standard Time, > dermoyn@onetel.net.uk writes: > > > >> To believe that we can "encourage" the governments in either Russia or >> China to veto a Resolution in the UN is naive. And an awesome waste of >> time. They will veto if they believe it is in their best interests. To go >> against the US is certainly not that. The same applies to France. > > The people of the world can only slowly and in mass try to influence what > happens. We should try everything that is available to us. If you have the > time to spend posting E Mails not adding anything to anything then, like > most of us, 5 minutes sending support or encouragement to Security Council > members cannot, in comparison, be described as an 'awsome waste of time'. > With respect. that is incredibly arrogant. None of us believe that our E > Mail will influence the Security Council members but enough E Mails will do > so, just as enough marchers in protest at this shameful war will influence > even Bush and Blair. Perhaps there won't be enough, but we will have done > one of the things we can do, however inadequate you may see that in > isolation. And so we send E Mails, and talk to people we know, and write to > MPs and the Press. It may all be described as an awsome waste of time. What > we are doing certainly won't have a negative influence,even if the positive > influence is very small. > > I personally don't believe that what you claim is true,. I think that the > world is at a crossroads and will only survive if UN survives. UN cannot > survive if it joins Blair in being a poodle of US. In this reasoning it is > in everyone's interest to opppose US. > > >> >> Your argument is even more stunning when we can't even "encourage" our own >> >> government to do what we want it to do! > > > No, we can't although we don't really understand why. EU countries are much > more likely to be persuaded, as are Russia and China. Doubtless one day it > will be clear why Blair insists on this war despite everything. Blair has > to realise that he is not omnipotent but this will take time. The more > delay there is, the more opposition will grow both in UK and in US. > > >> >> We will never "persuade" or "encourage" politicians to do anything. We >> might be able to force them. That is what we are trying to do at the >> moment. >> >> We are all open to almost any suggestions. Many of us are prepared to >> commit to awsome wastes of time with only small chances of results. I >> believe that Turkey should be encouraged to oppose US war plans and to >> support its own democratic principles. > > Regards, > > Chris > > >> >> > From: Tcapj@aol.com Full-name: Tcapj Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:08:23 EST Subject: Re: [casi] Turkey Parliament Rejects U.S. Troops To: dermoyn@onetel.net.uk X-Plaintext: Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email [ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] In a message dated 02/03/03 22:05:01 GMT Standard Time, dermoyn@onetel.net.uk writes: > To believe that we can "encourage" the governments in either Russia or > China to veto a Resolution in the UN is naive. And an awesome waste of > time. They will veto if they believe it is in their best interests. To go > against the US is certainly not that. The same applies to France. The people of the world can only slowly and in mass try to influence what happens. We should try everything that is available to us. If you have the time to spend posting E Mails not adding anything to anything then, like most of us, 5 minutes sending support or encouragement to Security Council members cannot, in comparison, be described as an 'awsome waste of time'. With respect. that is incredibly arrogant. None of us believe that our E Mail will influence the Security Council members but enough E Mails will do so, just as enough marchers in protest at this shameful war will influence even Bush and Blair. Perhaps there won't be enough, but we will have done one of the things we can do, however inadequate you may see that in isolation. And so we send E Mails, and talk to people we know, and write to MPs and the Press. It may all be described as an awsome waste of time. What we are doing certainly won't have a negative influence,even if the positive influence is very small. I personally don't believe that what you claim is true,. I think that the world is at a crossroads and will only survive if UN survives. UN cannot survive if it joins Blair in being a poodle of US. In this reasoning it is in everyone's interest to opppose US. > > Your argument is even more stunning when we can't even "encourage" our own > government to do what we want it to do! No, we can't although we don't really understand why. EU countries are much more likely to be persuaded, as are Russia and China. Doubtless one day it will be clear why Blair insists on this war despite everything. Blair has to realise that he is not omnipotent but this will take time. The more delay there is, the more opposition will grow both in UK and in US. > > We will never "persuade" or "encourage" politicians to do anything. We > might be able to force them. That is what we are trying to do at the > moment. > > We are all open to almost any suggestions. Many of us are prepared to > commit to awsome wastes of time with only small chances of results. I > believe that Turkey should be encouraged to oppose US war plans and to > support its own democratic principles. Regards, Chris > > _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk