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To Josh & List. Hopefully, none of us, are staring at these, very meticulous, documents, with tunnel-vision. They were sent out at the outset of the Gulf War. They were internal military documents. They give extremely useful CLUES, & it annoys me somewhat when people think so concretely, without putting matters in context, & trying to understand the thinking, & attitudes that underlie the action. If you want evidence of bombed water systems, then don't restrict yourself to these documents. I sent out several other articles, re. Iraqi Water Systems, but - quite frankly - I get the impression that none of those have received your attention. Are you, at all, familiar with the history of Iraq, since the Gulf War & before? Are you knowledgable about US military history, and Britain's role in the history of the Middle East? - I do accept people's right to accept or reject anything on this site. But I would prefer that the various factors were, at least, carefully considered. Greetings, Bert. >From: Josh Robinson <firstname.lastname@example.org> >To: email@example.com >CC: firstname.lastname@example.org >Subject: Re: [casi] (Bert Gedin) targeting of water treatment facilities >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:39:57 -0000 > >bert, > >you're missing the point. all the document shows is that the US military >-were aware of the consequences of bombing water facilities-. it DOES NOT >provide any evidence that those facilities were targeted, or even hit. it >is in that sense that it is 'useless'. > >whatever our 'common sense' tells us, this document cannot be used as >-evidence- that such facilities were hit. and even if there is evidence >that water facilities were -hit- (i would be somewhat surprised if there >weren't), even that will not be sufficient to show that they were >-targeted-. > >now, if any of this evidence is out there, then i think that lots of us >would be very glad (if that's the right word) to see it. > >josh > >--On Saturday, January 25, 2003 06:12 +0000 Bert Gedin ><email@example.com> wrote: > >> >>Dear Alun, >> >>Aren't you jumping to (unfounded) conclusions? A useless document? The US >>military NOT bombing Iraqi infra-structure? Do you really believe that >>Iraqi water systems have never been bombed? The US military may be full >>of really nice people, but it is those very "really nice people" who >>cause so much havoc, including "collateral damage". Maybe you're >>underestimating CASI - it includes a number of experts in politics, >>science etc., as well as ordinary folks with plenty of common sense. >>CASI is no "ship of fools"! >> >>Greetings, >> >>Bert. >> >> >> >> >>>From: Alun Harford <firstname.lastname@example.org> >>>To: email@example.com >>>Subject: Re: [casi] (Bert Gedin) targeting of water treatment facilities >>>Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:34:29 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> > Dear Alun & List, >>> > >>> > The Report you refer to had already been provided by >>> > Dr. Eric Herring, >>> > this last Friday. However, my appreciation for so >>> > kindly trying to be >>> > helpful. - It would be good if some others, with >>> > expertise or with accurate >>> > knowledge, or sources, could join this discussion. >>> > Not neccessarily with a >>> > strong political message, just to demonstrate some >>> > eesential facts. Perhaps >>> > a few of our Iraqi friends would like to contribute? >>> >>>Unfortunately, the document is pretty useless from the >>>point of view of CASI - the US military will say that >>>they produced it so that their generals knew not to >>>bomb water treatment facilities. They will continue to >>>deny that they hit them and if CASI raised the issue >>>in the media it'd just look like a bunch of conspirisy >>>theorists who don't have a clue what they're doing - >>>which is why the documents could be safely >>>declassified. They prove nothing. >>>Read it thinking "The US military is full of really >>>nice people" and you'll see what I mean (and then >>>probably be violently sick afterwards). >>> >>>Alun >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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