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Dear Yasser, I've made a few annotations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yasser Alaskary" <ya1980@hotmail.com> To: "SoftTanks" <softtanks@hotmail.com>; "Diarmuid" <diarmuidfogarty@onetel.net.uk>; <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [casi] No one replied to my this mail. > > I believe God have made all of us including birds, animals and trees to > live > > peacefully otherwise we will get extinct just like Dinosaurs did a few > > 1000's years back. > > so what do you do to someone who slaughters over a million of his own > people? how do you remove him from power so that he cannot keep > slaughtering? [TPB]One way would be to wait for him to die. He won't live forever. And if it's a choice between that and killing hundreds of thausands of Iraqi civilians I know what I'd choose. I think you have to distinguish between Hussein and the regime. Just getting rid of Saddam solves nothing. I don't see how carrying out a huge massacre will help. And it probably will be a massacre, not a war. If it follows the pattern of the Gulf War(and Iraq is even weaker now) our own troops will be in next to no danger from the Iraqis and we will slaughter their army as well, as, probably destroying the population's power system and health infrastructure, leading to massive civilian casualties. Surely we all know this? The next stage, if Afghanistan is any precedent, will be the installation of a government full of people with as bad a human rights record as the previous one, but more compliant to the US. Maybe ex-Baathists. No way will I support that. It's as bad as what Saddam does to his enemies to get his way, only in our case, the reason is to get control of Iraq's oil reserves, rather than winning a war of aggression with one of your neighbours or suppressing rebels. >do you ask him nicely to go away? do you ask him to kindly > stop killing the people? how do you remove him and stop the killing and > oppression? I don't know. But no one on this list has made out a convincing case that Bush and Blair's proposed war of aggression will help matters, rather than just add massively to the suffering, and facilitate the milking of Iraq's resources by the West for years to come, as well as maybe provide a cover for Sharon to increase his repression of the Palestinians. The way I see it, if you want us to bomb Iraq back into the stone age again, the onus is on you, as an advocate of force, to answer the question as to how that will help matters and not on me to justify my resistance to the idea. Best wishes, TIm > > yasser > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SoftTanks" <softtanks@hotmail.com> > To: "Diarmuid" <diarmuidfogarty@onetel.net.uk>; > <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> > Cc: <soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk> > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [casi] No one replied to my this mail. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > By the word "America" in my message I am considering only those people > > involved in decision making at that time. > > > > Like When America dropped Bombs on Japan I was talking abt decision makers > > of that time. > > > > Actually When we are talking about million people we can't say all to be > > your friend or all to be your enemy. It depends on the aspect you are > > viewing the situation. > > > > In a company your co-worker may look like an enemy due to competition. > > During elections other party looks like enemy. And during sports > (Olympics) > > other country looks like enemy. > > > > So the term enemy and friend is subjective to time and situation. > > > > I have many friends all over the world. So that way I can't say any > country > > as my enemy or friend. > > > > My enemy is anyone > > 1) Who do wrong things which kills innocents. > > 2) Who is fraud. > > 3) Who betrays his promises to his Parents, Company and Nation. > > > > I like all good people irrespective of their place of living, religion, > > income status, language. > > > > I never try to categorize good and bad based on country, religion or level > > of education. > > > > I believe God have made all of us including birds, animals and trees to > live > > peacefully otherwise we will get extinct just like Dinosaurs did a few > > 1000's years back. > > > > Regards > > Sanjay Sharma. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diarmuid" <diarmuidfogarty@onetel.net.uk> > > To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 12:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [casi] No one replied to my this mail. > > > > > > > Sanjay, I think you are being a little simplistic in your view of world > > > politics. Bill Clinton was by no means the dear man that you imagine him > > to > > > be. Under his presidency, hundreds, if not thousands, of bombs were > > dropped > > > on Iraq and the Iraqi people. Similarly, Saddam Hussein is not the > heroic > > > figure holding out against the Empire. He was a stooge of the Empire > and, > > as > > > you will no doubt be aware, is responsible for the deaths of millions of > > > people. > > > > > > The true heroes in this story are the Iraqi people themselves. They have > > > survived, despite unimaginable hardship. It is safe to assume that > Saddam > > > has not had to queue for food, nor would he ever have been turned away > > from > > > a hospital because medicine was lacking. The other heroes are those men > > and > > > women, some of whom we are lucky to have contributing to this list, who > > have > > > made great personal sacrifices to bring us the truth from Iraq. Without > > > them, this list might not even exist and dissent would be a thing of the > > > past.Curiously, our heroes both survive in spite of people like Hussein > > and > > > Clinton, Bush and Blair. That singular fact is worth devoting some > thought > > > to. > > > > > > On a different note, you refer several times to 'America' in your post. > It > > > might be interesting to reflect on what you mean by this. The American > > > people? The American continent? Or simply the American government? You > are > > > not alone in using the name of the country (or the continent) when, I > > > suspect, you intend to refer to the government. I'm guilty of the same. > > But > > > perhaps we should make a greater effort to separate the people from > their, > > > all too often, dictatorial leaders. Perhaps we should make the effort to > > > refer to 'the American government', rather than simply 'America'. After > > all, > > > the first rule of war is 'Know Your Enemy'. We have seen the horrors > that > > > arise when people are duped into believing that their enemy is the > > ordinary > > > people of a country rather than its rulers. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. > > > To unsubscribe, visit > > http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss > > > To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk > > > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. > > To unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss > > To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk > > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. > To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss > To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. 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