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Dear Sama,

Thank you for your kind words about my posting.

> 1. the realities you saw were only the superficial appearance of
> iraq - the suffering of a nation under sanctions. however, what
> you did not and could not see, is the deep rooted everyday
> suffering and oppression of the iraqi people, which i have lived.
> a suffering which has no voice and cannot be openly seen. this is
> as bad, if not worse than sanctions.

I agree that what I can see, and what I have seen, in Iraq is superficial.
I hope that I didn't suggest otherwise in my previous posting.  Some of the
oppression is still palpable, even to a foreigner like myself: I remember
the feeling of relief that I had reaching Jordan after the first trip, after
a bad experience with a border guard, a minor reminder of being in a police
state.

> 2. the figures of the casualties from '91 is not a fair
> reflection of the the current situation because those figures are
> of the people uprising against Saddam and shows how much the
> Iraqis want Saddam out and shows how ruthless Saddam is in
> oppressing the people.

As quoted in my last e-mail, the 1991 figures are broken down into various
categories.  The largest category, 111,000, refers to "postwar adverse
health effects", which may include consequences of the intifada as well as
of the Gulf War.  Those that Osborne associates directly with the intifada
are 35,000.  Further, insofar as the intifada was a partial consequence of
the Gulf War itself, those deaths are also a partial consequence of the Gulf
War.  They are, of course, also a consequence of the Iraqi regime's attempts
to stay in power.

> What is planned to be done involves removing Saddam so such a
> bloodbath would not occur or be needed.

I wish that I could be sure of this.  I would imagine that the US
administration would be happy to get its way with fewer rather than more
civilian casualties.  However, if a war does start, it seems likely that it
will be fought in cities to a greater extent than that fought in 1991.  If
this does occur, then the civilian consequences may be worse than they were
in 1991, especially if non-conventional weapons are used.

Further, I have no idea what the US plan for post-Saddam Iraq is: the
administration has made various noises, but has preferred to focus on the
simple question of removing Saddam.  I expressed some of my concerns about
this in my last e-mail.  I support your desire to see democracy in Iraq, but
think that the word "shi'a" may be too frightening to the US administration:
Iran and Hizbullah come to mind too easily.

> Opposing a war on Saddam, calls - at least in the short term -
> for the current situation to remain: Saddam oppressiong and
> slaughtering Iraqis, sanctions starving the people. Nothing, for
> an Iraqi, can be worse than this.

This is, I think, precisely the dilemma.  I don't believe that nothing could
be worse.  What if an Iraqi Scud missile or jet with a chemical payload does
reach Israel, which retaliates with nuclear weapons against Baghdad, Basra,
and Mosul?  What if the organisations best suited to organise a post-Saddam
Iraq are religious, and a clerical rule of the Khomeini sort takes power?
More generally, what if a new government takes power that the US does not
approve, and we have a new oppressive regime, sanctions, but after another
war and civil war?  What if, whatever government arises, it loses its grip
and Iraq slips into lawlessness and protracted civil war, like Afghanistan
did?  What if, in this situation, Turkey moved into the old Ottoman province
of Mosul, claiming to be protecting the rights of the Turcoman population?

Some of these outcomes seem to me more unlikely: while the US abandoned
Afghanistan as soon as the Soviets were gone, allowing the further descent
into anarchy, the US is unlikely to walk away from Iraq's oil.  Does it, an
administration committed to opposing nation building, need a stable and
prosperous Iraqi society to exploit this, though?  The current Iraqi
government didn't in the 1970s.

A more basic problem, though, is that I don't know how good an ability we
have to assign probabilities to these events.  Everyone expected Saddam to
fall in 1991; everyone was wrong.  Did anyone expect an autonomous Iraqi
Kurdistan then?  The Turks certainly don't seem to have.

Returning to the question of how we respond to these facts - to we oppose a
new war or support it (in the hope that it will not be needed) - I find that
what I can most unambiguously support is honest debate.  This I have yet to
see from the US Administration.  Nor have I seen any concern for the people
of Iraq.  Both of these things make me very concerned about placing the
future of Iraq in US hands.

Best,

Colin Rowat

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