Re: [casi] Question - Iraqis attitude toward regime change

["nermin" <na.ali@DELETETHISuruklink.net>]

+Hi Hassan, list  members& lists manager,
I agree with Hassan. All what he had said is true. those who speak using the
term ( we the Iraqis) represent nobody but themselves. I agree with the
Manager, too, enough is enough, lets disscuss the urgent situation.
Regarding to Ritter, I interviewed him during his last visit to Baghdad. I
asked him about Iraqi WMD . He affirmed that 90-95% of Iraqi WMD were
destroyed. I asked him about Anthrax, he said:
Q: Now, does Iraq has anthrax?
A: I said that we must not longer hold Iraq to 100% standers of
verifications, this is unrealistic and this will never occurred. We need to
be back on objective standers. Meaning we can not account for Iarq anthrax
agents that were produced in Al-Hakam establishment, if Iraq has anthrax on
shelves under ideal storage conditions and there are not in Iraq such
conditions and within three years these agents would not be effective. So,
why seven years later, no after ten years later talking about anthrax? We
destroyed the factories. We destroyed the means of production. Any anthrax
if found in Iraq it means that it was produced before 1991and it is not
effected now. So, why should we talk about anthrax?
    Why did those in US, UK and other where beleive Ritter when he said a
lot about Iraq during 7 years, but do not beleive him now?
Best Regards
Nermin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hassan Zeini" <hasseini@maktoob.com>
To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [casi] Question - Iraqis attitude toward regime change


> Dear List,
>
> There is again a clear effort to draw us into side discussions through
> personal attacks. This happens every time discussions over a new
aggression
> against Iraq dominate the news. It seems there are some in the
anti-sanctions
> lists who are delegated the job of distracting us from our objective.
Perhaps that
> is where some of those CIA millions are going...
>
> I am an Iraqi, and I declare here that the opinions expressed in the
original
> message of Yasser are not mine, nor of those Iraqis whom I know and with
whom I
> talked in Iraq, the US, Europe, Egypt and Syria.
> The difference between us is that I was raised in Iraq where I lived most
of my
> life. I left Iraq when Yasser was born.  My understanding is that Yasser
was
> raised in the UK, and as a young man of 22, he still doesn't know about
Iraq
> except what is told to him by a certain "group" of Iraqis.
>
> To say "we, the Iraqi people, cannot get rid of Saddam Hussein",
presupposes
> having some mandate to represent the Iraqis and talk in their name. That,
I assure
> you, is not the case.
>
> Let us not forget that the same people who are now opposing Saddam
Hussein,
> were part of his regime and enjoyed the positions and the benefits they
brought
> with them. Many of them supported Saddam and helped him get to the
position where
> he is in now. Suddenly, in the 1990's they discover he was a bad guy... Of
course
> that is accepted. But it is not accepted when Scott Ritter changes his
mind; he is
> accused of being bought...
>
> Who are the opposition that are referred to:
>
> As I explained in a previous post some time ago, they are groups of people
who
> have no credibility inside Iraq or among Iraqis, nor even among Iraq's
neighbors.
>
> Who would trust a banker who emptied his bank into his pockets and
escaped,
> and who would go jail if he sets foot in Jordan?
>
> Who would trust the son of the former Prime Minister who sold his country
to
> the British in an agreement that caused riots and the death of tens of
Iraqis in
> Baghdad? All that man did since the 1950's was run a horse race track in
the
> US....
>
> Who would trust Iyad Allawi or Salah Omar al-Ali, two former Ba'athists
and
> Saddam supporters, who fell off with Saddam for personal reasons?
>
> Who would trust Wafiq al-Samarrai, Saddam's chief of Military Intelligence
> until 1994?
>
> Who would trust Nizar Al-Khazraji, Saddam's Chief of Staff during the
Kuwait
> crisis and the Gulf War and the commander of Anfal campaign
>
> Who would trust Najib Al-Salihi, or Tawfiq al-Yassiri or the rest of
officers
> who all served under Saddam, supported his regime, and got where they got
because
> of being members in the Ba'ath Party?
>
> Who would trust Sharif Ali Hussein, who wants to be king of Iraq? Iraqis
never
> accepted King Faisal who was forced unto them by the British, and now
someone who
> is not even eligible for the throne wants to claim it. The Rules of
succession
> should thus be explained.
>
> "The Iraqi Constitution (as amended in November 1943, and on which Sarif
Ali
> seemingly bases his claim) stipulates that the Crown is only heritable by
lawfully
> begotten males of Iraqi nationality, according to primogeniture, and from
the
> family of King Faisal I of Iraq by his Queen. Failing male heirs of King
Faisal,
> the next in succession being his brothers, the sons of King Hussein ibn
'Ali of
> the Hijaz, and their male issue, according to primogeniture, provided they
were
> also Iraqi nationals."
> Sharif Ali is the son of Princess Badi'a bin Ali and his father was Husain
ibn
> Ali, an Egyptian by birth and nationality. He does not fulfill any of the
above
> requirements...
>
> And finally, who would trust Baqir al-Hakim and his group, who have no
problem
> cooperating with the same powers that let them down,gassed them in 1918
and killed
> their brothers, in Iraq and Iran? Baqir al-Hakim has a party, on whose
central
> committee sit a few Iranian officials, and who can not do anything without
the
> approval of Iran. That man should rule Iraq? One of his advisers was Adel
> Abdul-Mahdi Al-Mintafji, another former Ba'athist, who decided to change
sides..
>
> Between 1958 and 1963, when Iraq was almost controlled by communists
inside
> the army and around Abdul-Karim Qassem, almost all members of the Hakim
family
> were communists. Simple Shi'is were convinced to become communists because
those
> Shi'is who approached them told them that being a Shiu'i (communist) meant
also
> being a Shi'i.
> A group of Shi'i Ba'athists and Arab Nationalists approached the then
Shi'i
> supreme spiritual leader, Sayyed Muhsin Al-Hakim (the father of Baqir),
asking him
> to intervene and state that Communism was not in line with Islamic
teachings. He
> refused... Now the same people are suddenly either devout Muslims, or
human rights
> activists...
>
> Until those in the opposition can find respectable people with a clean
history
> to represent them, they will not enjoy any support nor gain respect from
anyone.
>
> Perhaps it is comical when people say "let the Iraqi people decide", but
it is
> not as criminal as saying that bloodshed from a US aggression against Iraq
is
> acceptable, because blood will be shed anyway. Well, it is not their blood
that
> will be shed, so who cares. Iraqis can die, by sanctions or bombs, while
they live
> in comfort in the US and the UK, enjoying millions from the CIA and
fighting
> Saddam by telepathy...
>
> My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend. Syria tried that in
1990-1991,
> only to discover how wrong it was. Having cooperated with the US against
Iraq,
> pressure against it increased instead of decreasing, and it is threatened
more now
> that before. Only the simple minded don't learn from history.
>
> Regards
> Hassan
>
> Traitor: is someone who betrays his country and cooperates with the enemy
> during war between his country and that enemy. This is the worst crime
anywhere in
> the world. In the US, which is supporting those people with money and even
arms
> and encouraging them to betray their country, this crime is punishable by
death..
>
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