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Dear all, With all respect to Ornella, the discussion re: the relative merits of Iraq and the US/UK's human rights record undergirths the discussion of what campaign goals should be: the lifting of economic sanctions OR the lifting of both military and economic sanctions. I will summarise it simplistically: The people who believe that AI is right to focus on Iraq's human rights violations, to the detriment of the violations of the sanctions, tend to believe that economic NOT military sanctions should be lifted. That is because they believe that SH is a threat to regional peace, as evidenced by the AI report and ofcourse, the invasion of Kuwait. There may also be concern, here, though not voiced, that SH is a threat to Israel. The people who believe that AI is following the US line, tend to believe that economic AND military sanctions should be lifted. That is because they believe that SH, is not a threat to the region, compared to the US, and its pro-Israel policies. Underlying therefore the issues of AI, Halabja and (previously) Israel, is the central activist question: should an anti-sanctions campaign demand the lifting of BOTH the military and economic sanctions? An argument for that goal is that it is now impossible to define what is a dual-use item and what is not, given the current state of technology (for example, cancer medicines,) It would be good to let the list vote on this fundamental question, Philippa >===== Original Message From ornella sangiovanni <ornella.sangiovanni@tiscalinet.it> ===== >Dear all, >thanks God the list manager has finally decided to intervene! > >I've also been tempted to unsubscribe from this list. As I respect the >different opinions, I've tried to endure all this so far, but it can't go on >this way. > >It's a long time since we've seen a positive, solid, informative, useful >message about sanctions and anti-sanctions work. >How is it possible that some people don't understand when enough is enough? >How long are we going to discuss about AI, Iraq's human rights record, >Halabja etc. etc.? >I do not deny the importance of these issues, but how does all this waste of >time help our work, which should be focused on denouncing and fighting >economic sanctions ? > >Shouldn't we try to be more action-oriented? > >Best Wishes > >Ornella Sangiovanni > >Coordinator >Italian Campaign "Break the Sanctions!" > >Via della Guglia 69/a >00186 Rome > >tel. 0039-06-678 0808 >fax 0039-06-679 3968 >-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: CASI Lists Manager <lists-manager@casi.org.uk> >A: casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> >Data: domenica 9 giugno 2002 13.45 >Oggetto: [casi] current discussion > > >> >>Dear list, >> >>Given the number of list unsubsciptions occurring at the moment, I think I >>can safely say that there is a general feeling that this discussion has >>gone far enough. I have been spending many hours writing to individual >>list members saying that personal attacks on the list are not allowed. >>This is not a difficult thing to understand, but obviously more difficult >>than one might expect. >> >>Therefore I am now intervening publicly as list manager to inform people >>that any further messages that cross this line will mean the perpetrator >>being put without further warning on the 'moderated' list, which means >>that until further notice all their posts will have to be 'allowed' by me >>specifically. I understand that there are very difficult and personal >>issues behind the discussion. Nevertheless, CASI runs this list as a >>constructive forum for discussing sanctions on Iraq, and this it must >>remain. If people do not like these rules, there are many other discussion >>lists with wider mandates and these they are welcome to join. >> >>best wishes, >>Abi >>CASI lists manager >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >>To unsubscribe, visit >http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >>To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >>All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk