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Dear Mustafa and all, Yes, SANCTIONS fall with in Human Rights category. Yet, it is not a simple sanction, it is totally BLOCKADE or as Ramsy Clark and others called it SIEGE in their book Iraq under Siege. I am sure that you and other Iraqis who are living abroad know this very well. As I said before Blockade became our style of life. it is very painful to say so, still we are doing our best to survive, here in Iraq, our lovely country. There is progress, just look to the reconstruction of the whole country, which was destroyed by the 1991 aggression. We are doing our best through our own abilities. (I understand that you cannot be seen to agree with these because of your current position.) My current position is a student of MA and a mother tries to supervise her only son. Defending my country is just defending our life. in the 1970s, the same government was ruling. In 1979, I was a student in a summer course in London (on my expense) and till now I remember how the others from all nationalities, even Britain, were jealous from me because of mine President Saddam Hussein. Every country has its right to develop its defensive tools. US the only super power do develop its defensive every day. But who dares to speak? (. I couldn't agree more with you myself.) I do not need or ask for that. Every one has his own beliefs, but without attacking the others. I think (free expression) is one of the human rights, I mean do not try to stop others from speaking, as the others try. (Yes, the sanctions on civilian goods certainly violate the Human Rights Charter and many other international accords in this field. Actually, AI acknowledges the suffering of the Iraqi people under sanctions. It supports all means to end the suffering and strongly supports the position of the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, adopted on 8 December 1997, that "inhabitants of a given country do not forfeit their basic economic, social and cultural rights by virtue of any determination that their leaders have violated norms relating to international peace and security.") I think UN know more than me and you that these sanctions were put to be for ever. Just before days Tom Myat, the United Nations Humanitarian Co-ordinator in Iraq, said during a meeting with Voices UK, that he was ready to resign if his resignation would put an end to the sanctions. So during days he was changed with another one. They all know that these sanctions were planned to stay, just to harm Iraqis. (Are we talking about the same America that imposed Sanctions on the Iraqi people?, )OK, I am asking now: if you know America, so who do you and others believe in its alleges against Iraq? Again Ramsy Clark and in his book The Fire This Time, said according to documents that US helped Iran through intelligence reports and weapons. Do you forget Iran-gate, the US scandal of providing Iran with sophisticated weapons? (America has even provided this"information", but do you really think it is a credible statement?) but, it is the same America provides information that you and the others beleive in. Again, let us work to put an end for this sever blockade, and let us discuss HOW can we manage this goal. Peace, Nermin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mustafa Karim" <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: <email@example.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [casi] Full Amnesty Report on Iraq 2002 > Dear nermin, and all, > > >Till now I am waiting the end of this discussion about human rights and AI > >annual report. > > Don't sanctions fall within the "human rights" category? I thought they did, > along with many other tragedies concerning the Iraqi people. > > >Regarding Iraq, the report repeats itself year after year and has nothing > >to > >say but the same information without any documents. > > I think the same goes for the Sanctions if you apply this in the same > respect. Over 10 years and no progress. > > > >Yes I agree with Hasan that most of data are biased on reports given by > >Iraqis who seek asylum in the west and they forgot that they had finished > >their studies in Iraq where the education was free, or in western > >universities on the expenses of Iraqi government. > > A lot of Iraqi professionals living outside Iraq had a good University > education prior to the sanctions. A lot of them were sent to American and > European Universities as well (with strings attached of course...If you were > sponsored to study Theoretical Nuclear Physics in America then it doesn't > take a genius to figure out why the regime REALLY wanted you [as was the > case with Dr. Khidhir Hamza]). I think I have pointed this out before; a > free education system cannot compensate for brutal dictatorship, oppression, > genocide, occupation, warmongering and much more. I understand that you > cannot be seen to agree with these because of your current position. > I received a free education in the UK, by the UK Government, but that > doesn't justify their use of Sanctions on the Iraqi civilians, and I dont > think you can use Iraq's once-free education system to a similar effect. > > > >Again, I agree with Hasan > >that being against one person dose not mean being against whole country and > >nation, but! > > Definately true. I couldn't agree more with you myself. > > > > The same report indicates the double standard of the terms (human rights > >and terrorism). Many international personalities assure that the sanctions > >are violating the Human Rights Chart and many other international accords > >in > >this field, but who dares to put this in a report? > > Yes, the sanctions on civilian goods certainly violate the Human Rights > Charter and many other international accords in this field. Actually, AI > acknowledges the suffering of the Iraqi people under sanctions. It supports > all means to end the suffering and strongly supports the position of the UN > Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, adopted on 8 December > 1997, that "inhabitants of a given country do not forfeit their basic > economic, social and cultural rights by virtue of any determination that > their leaders have violated norms relating to international peace and > security." > > > > About Halabja, I attended a press conference in Baghdad in 1990. It was > >in > >June or July, I do not remember, attended by April Gelaspy, the US > >ambassador in Iraq, and many of American businessmen, in that conference, > >she, the ambassador, said that US had information that Halabja was attacked > >chemically by Iranians. > > Are we talking about the same America that imposed Sanctions on the Iraqi > people?, that supplied and built up Saddam's weapons capabilities?, that > supported him in his illegal and devastating war against Iran?, that until > recently even supported the Taliban? Are you seriously supporting this > American claim in light of this? Its no as if America has even provided this > "information", but do you really think it is a credible statement? > > Peace, Mustafa > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email firstname.lastname@example.org All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk