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Hi, I think you've missed several important points. You say: >Before we in the west make further plans for Iraq - apparently excluding >Iraqis in Iraq from any say on their destiny' Excluding Iraqis in Iraq? Iraqis in Iraq don't have a say, the only voice that comes out of Iraq is that of the brutal regime, and I cannot understand for the life of me why such an oppressive voice should be listened. All other voices are executed and murdered in Iraq - what voice are you exactly refering to? Secondly, it was Nermin Al-Mufti - the famous journalist and member of the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein - who was complaining of how bad the media is in the West, so your advise 'we should put our own house in order' should be directed at her. I and Ahmed only pointed out the hypocrisy of what she was saying. Finally, I have an honest question for you. Why is it that you are always quick to rebutt or diffuse any criticism of Saddam Hussein's regime and its members? Glancing through the archives, it's just a pattern I have noticed, but I may be wrong. Regards, Yasser ----Original Message Follows---- From: "farbuthnot" <asceptic@freenetname.co.uk> To: soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk Subject: [casi] media!!! Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:50:14 +0100 How many people have been executed in Afghanistan, with the media largely unallowed any access to the truth? How many in Palestine? How many have been disappeared to Guantamano Bay whose names, ages - any form of identity we are not allowed to know, what of the reported possibly 10,000 people of allegedly Muslim background who have been jailed in the States with their families unable to even find where they are? Before we in the west make further plans for Iraq - apparently excluding Iraqis in Iraq from any say on their destiny - we should put our own house in order. When it comes to repression one needs look no further than Fort Benning, Georgia (School of the Americas) which has trained the most repressive regimes on earth in the arts of torture and terror. (A glance at their torture manual is instructive.) best, felicity a. _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk