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Dear Casi members, This listserve cannot be used to make personal comments about the listmembers; I am referring to Yasser's message to Ghazwan. Could the listmanager (although I know he is very busy) monitor these types of messages for content? Thank you, Philippa >===== Original Message From Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar <gaz@uruklink.net> ===== >Dear CASI members > >I will not dignify the false allegation. It shows his "true" understanding >of democracy. The following blank lines are my response. > > > > >Son finish your college first. Don't expect to rule Iraq soon. The CIA has >at least 6 MATURE army generals being considered. If you really want to >fight for Iraq then consider joining the CIA financed "liberation army". >Regrettably your long stay in the UK did not teach you meaning of democracy. >False and unfounded allegation will not intimidate, > >Best regards >Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar >Baghdad, Iraq > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Yasser Alaskary" <ya1980@hotmail.com> >To: <yba20@cam.ac.uk>; <dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be>; ><soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk> >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:31 PM >Subject: Re: [casi] March yesterday > > >> Hi all, >> >> Ghazwan and co. again demonstrate where their alliegance is. >> >> 1) Ghazwan is a Ba'athist and part of Saddam's regime - the fact that he >has >> the access, the time, the money, and the 'freedom' to take part in such a >> list from Iraq is proof enough of this. He is like the Ba'athist who have >> the money and time to call me up from Iraq, and speak with me for almost >an >> hour at a time, threatening me, in their stupid and disgusting manner, >that >> they will harm my relatives (who they let me talk to first to prove they >are >> present) if I do not do such and such. Only those loyal to the regime are >> provided with so much money to do these time- and money-consuming actions >in >> a starving country. >> >> 2) The majority of my family are back in Iraq, so you are in no position >to >> question how much issues in Iraq hurt and effect me. I have several family >> members who have died as a result of sanctions. I also have several family >> members who have been tortured to death or executed by the regime Ghazwan >> belongs to. >> >> 3) The Iraqi dictatorship estimates (therefore these are not conservative >> numbers) that 1.5 million Iraqis have died as a result of sanctions. >> Conservative estimates put the number of Iraqis killed due to Saddam >Hussein >> and his regime at just over 1 million. Now you tell me, is that something >to >> ignore and be silent about? I am not supporting military action in the >form >> it took in Afghanistan, but even if you add up ALL those killed as a >result >> of 'smart' bombs, they are a tiny fraction of those who have been killed >and >> will continue to be killed under Saddam's regime. If you take any >US-backed >> South American dictator, or any other US-backed dictator and count the >> number killed under them, it is a fraction of what Saddam's regime has and >> is killing. So to all those who warn of the results of allowing the US to >> remove Saddam's regime: this is a life and death situation. As a training >> doctor and as a human being, my priority is to save as many lives as I >can. >> I dream and pray every single day of a free Iraq where there is no >dictator, >> US-backed or otherwise, but I know in the immediate future the only >> realistic way to lessen the deaths is to support moves to oust Saddam's >> regime. However, as I and those who care and love the Iraqi people have >> campaigned, our calls for the removal of Saddam and his regime are also >> coupled with opposition against doing this via carpet bombing the country >> and killing thousands of innocent people and against economic sanctions. >> >> 4) Finally, what i pasted was an article from a British newspaper, so they >> are not my words and do not encompass exactly how I think or feel. >> >> All those who support a loyal member of Saddam's regime, are either ones >> themselves, supporters of Saddam, or are not concerned for the Iraqi >people >> but only their ideologies. It sickens me how for decades the Iraqi people >> have been used by countless sides for their own gain, and how this >continues >> to happen on this list by those who want to apply their ideologies or >their >> alliegances to the situation in Iraq. >> >> Yasser Alaskary >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Yasir Al-Wakeel" <yba20@cam.ac.uk> >> Reply-To: "Yasir Al-Wakeel" <yba20@cam.ac.uk> >> To: "Dirk Adriaensens" <dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be>, "Yasser Alaskary" >> <ya1980@hotmail.com>, <soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: [casi] March yesterday >> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:02:28 +0100 >> >> Dear Dirk and others, >> >> I rarely if ever post on this discussion list, but now i feel i have to. >> I wholeheartedly agree that America's foreign policy has been and remains >a >> brutal one. Similarly, as a member of this list, i can not agree more >> strongly that sanctions imposed by the UN security council have had a >> devastating effect on the whole Iraqi nation. Both the moral and legal >> implications of such a policy that imposes such enormous economic costs on >> the civilian population of Iraq have been ignored by the international >> community. >> The problem with responses like yours and that of Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar is >that >> they automatically equate opposition to Saddam as being compliant with the >> US, and even more insultingly, Israel. >> As a Britain of Iraqi origin, many of my relatives remain in Iraq and have >> suffered under sanctions. They too have suffered under Saddam. Every >year >> for as long as i can remember the Iraqi community in Britain has taken the >> anniversary of the murder of the Iraqi cleric Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir >> Al-Sadr as a day to voice its anger against the Iraqi regime. Our cries >> have not been instigated by America and have not been concerned with >> oil-politics but have rather been for the Iraqi people. >> Saddam Hussain had been flagrantly violating human rights long before he >> started to threaten the global economy. To date, torture is an everyday >> reality, whilst extrajudicial and arbitrary executions are the norm. The >> 1997 report of the UN Commission on Human Rights effectively highlights >the >> failure of the Iraqi regime to conform to its obligations imposed by >> international humanitarian law, whilst the 1997 Amnesty international >report >> of the same year reports over sixteen thousand unsolved 'disappearances'. >> One wonders whether Iraqi citizens have not suffered enough with a >ruthless, >> despotic regime, merely to be faced with the rest of the world's >hostility. >> These human rights violations, have not suddenly occured in a vacuum and >NOR >> have our protests against them. Anti-Americanism should not lead to such >> blind accusations. As for; >> >> "some 1,200 people marched through central London demanding the overthrow >> of....... Iraqi President Saddam Hussein." >> Is this a new CIA-tactic to convince the British population that they >> should join forces with the USA and invade Iraq? >> >> Is this the only possibility? U seem to be suggesting a false dichotomy; >if >> u march against Saddam your with the US, if not your against the US. >> We know full well the CIA's role in getting the ba'ath party to power, and >> more significantly the American role in quelling the 1991 Iraqi popular >> uprising. My own view is that the Iraqi regime, which has played a >> significant role in the massacarinmg of its own civilians, sanctions as >well >> as US hegemony should be opposed. To neglect the Iraqi regime from this >> equation is to be both anti-american and anti-Iraqi civilians, and to >equate >> opposition to Saddam as being a puppy for America or Israel is profoundly >> insulting. >> >> Yasir Al-Wakeel >> Cambridge Universtiy >> >> >> >> Yasir >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dirk Adriaensens <dirk.adriaensens@skynet.be> >> To: Yasser Alaskary <ya1980@hotmail.com>; ><soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk> >> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [casi] March yesterday >> >> >> > Dear Yasser and all, >> > >> > No one in the world has a worse human rights record than the United >> States >> > itself. U.S. wars and CIA coups have left behind a trail of unmatched >> death >> > and destruction from Korea to Angola, from Indonesia to Nicaragua, >from >> > Vietnam to Iran. Nor can it be forgotten that U.S. capitalism was >> erected >> > upon a foundation of genocide against Native peoples and enslavement >of >> > millions of African people. And in Iraq itself, the greatest cause of >> death >> > and suffering is the U.S./UN sanctions blockade that remains in place >11 >> > years after the Gulf War. As former U.S. Atty. Gen. Ramsey Clark said >on >> > the fifth anniversary of the war in 1996, "There is no greater >violation >> of >> > human rights anywhere in the world in the last decade of this >millennium >> > than the sanctions against Iraq." And right now Palestine is being >> > strangled, blown to pieces and murdered by Zionism, with the aid of the >> USA. >> > >> > The blockade of Iraq has taken the lives of more than 1.5 million >> Iraqis, >> > half of them children under the age of five years. As is universally >> > acknowledged, the sanctions blockade only remains in place due to the >> > insistence of Washington. >> > >> > If the given reasons for the ongoing U.S. aggression against Iraq are >> > false, what is really behind the policy? World-dominion and control >over >> > Iraqi oil. >> > >> > One expects a demonstration against this atrocities, but what do I >read: >> > > >> > Greetings to those who oppose to any new war or any foreign >intervention >> in >> > Iraq. I didn't intend to react to this, but reading Ghazwan's reply, I >> felt >> > I had to support him, and with him the Iraqi people who resist >> American/UK >> > imperialism for more than 11 years now. >> > >> > Dirk Adriaensens. >> > >> > responsable International Peace Mission 12-27 april 2002. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Yasser Alaskary" <ya1980@hotmail.com> >> > To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> >> > Cc: <iraqinews@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:07 PM >> > Subject: [casi] March yesterday >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/top_story.html?in_review_id=451517& >> > in_review_text_id=401742 >> > > >> > > >> > > Marchers demand Saddam is ousted >> > > >> > > Some 1,200 people marched through central London demanding the >> overthrow >> > of >> > > Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. >> > > >> > > But the protesters, drawn from mainly Iraqi communities across >Britain, >> > > stressed that any military action against the dictator must not harm >> the >> > > people of Iraq. >> > > >> > > The demonstration, organised by the Iraqi Human Rights Division, >called >> > for >> > > sanctions against Iraq to be lifted and members of Saddam's regime to >> be >> > > charged with committing crimes against humanity and arrested if they >> leave >> > > the country. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> > > http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on >Iraq. >> > > To unsubscribe, visit >> > http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >> > > To contact the list manager, email >casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >> > > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >> > To unsubscribe, visit >> http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >> > To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >> > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >> To unsubscribe, visit >http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >> To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >> All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss >To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. 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