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RE: [casi] March yesterday

Dear Casi members,
This listserve cannot be used to make personal
comments about the listmembers; I
am referring to Yasser's message to Ghazwan.
Could the listmanager (although I know he is very busy)
monitor these types of messages  for content?
Thank you, Philippa

>===== Original Message From Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar <> =====
>Dear CASI members
>I will not dignify the false allegation. It shows his "true" understanding
>of democracy. The following blank lines are my response.
>Son finish your college first. Don't expect to rule Iraq soon. The CIA has
>at least 6 MATURE army generals being considered. If you really want to
>fight for Iraq then consider joining the CIA financed "liberation army".
>Regrettably your long stay in the UK did not teach you meaning of democracy.
>False and unfounded allegation will not intimidate,
>Best regards
>Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
>Baghdad, Iraq
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yasser Alaskary" <>
>To: <>; <>;
>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [casi] March yesterday
>> Hi all,
>> Ghazwan and co. again demonstrate where their alliegance is.
>> 1) Ghazwan is a Ba'athist and part of Saddam's regime - the fact that he
>> the access, the time, the money, and the 'freedom' to take part in such a
>> list from Iraq is proof enough of this. He is like the Ba'athist who have
>> the money and time to call me up from Iraq, and speak with me for almost
>> hour at a time, threatening me, in their stupid and disgusting manner,
>> they will harm my relatives (who they let me talk to first to prove they
>> present) if I do not do such and such. Only those loyal to the regime are
>> provided with so much money to do these time- and money-consuming actions
>> a starving country.
>> 2) The majority of my family are back in Iraq, so you are in no position
>> question how much issues in Iraq hurt and effect me. I have several family
>> members who have died as a result of sanctions. I also have several family
>> members who have been tortured to death or executed by the regime Ghazwan
>> belongs to.
>> 3) The Iraqi dictatorship estimates (therefore these are not conservative
>> numbers) that 1.5 million Iraqis have died as a result of sanctions.
>> Conservative estimates put the number of Iraqis killed due to Saddam
>> and his regime at just over 1 million. Now you tell me, is that something
>> ignore and be silent about? I am not supporting military action in the
>> it took in Afghanistan, but even if you add up ALL those killed as a
>> of 'smart' bombs, they are a tiny fraction of those who have been killed
>> will continue to be killed under Saddam's regime. If you take any
>> South American dictator, or any other US-backed dictator and count the
>> number killed under them, it is a fraction of what Saddam's regime has and
>> is killing. So to all those who warn of the results of allowing the US to
>> remove Saddam's regime: this is a life and death situation. As a training
>> doctor and as a human being, my priority is to save as many lives as I
>> I dream and pray every single day of a free Iraq where there is no
>> US-backed or otherwise, but I know in the immediate future the only
>> realistic way to lessen the deaths is to support moves to oust Saddam's
>> regime. However, as I and those who care and love the Iraqi people have
>> campaigned, our calls for the removal of Saddam and his regime are also
>> coupled with opposition against doing this via carpet bombing the country
>> and killing thousands of innocent people and against economic sanctions.
>> 4) Finally, what i pasted was an article from a British newspaper, so they
>> are not my words and do not encompass exactly how I think or feel.
>> All those who support a loyal member of Saddam's regime, are either ones
>> themselves, supporters of Saddam, or are not concerned for the Iraqi
>> but only their ideologies. It sickens me how for decades the Iraqi people
>> have been used by countless sides for their own gain, and how this
>> to happen on this list by those who want to apply their ideologies or
>> alliegances to the situation in Iraq.
>> Yasser Alaskary
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: "Yasir Al-Wakeel" <>
>> Reply-To: "Yasir Al-Wakeel" <>
>> To: "Dirk Adriaensens" <>,   "Yasser Alaskary"
>> <>, <>
>> Subject: Re: [casi] March yesterday
>> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:02:28 +0100
>> Dear Dirk and others,
>> I rarely if ever post on this discussion list, but now i feel i have to.
>> I wholeheartedly agree that America's foreign policy has been and remains
>> brutal one.  Similarly, as a member of this list, i can not agree more
>> strongly that sanctions imposed by the UN security council have had a
>> devastating effect on the whole Iraqi nation.  Both the moral and legal
>> implications of such a policy that imposes such enormous economic costs on
>> the civilian population of Iraq have been ignored by the international
>> community.
>> The problem with responses like yours and that of Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar is
>> they automatically equate opposition to Saddam as being compliant with the
>> US, and even more insultingly, Israel.
>> As a Britain of Iraqi origin, many of my relatives remain in Iraq and have
>> suffered under sanctions.  They too have suffered under Saddam.  Every
>> for as long as i can remember the Iraqi community in Britain has taken the
>> anniversary of the murder of the Iraqi cleric Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir
>> Al-Sadr  as a day to voice its anger against the Iraqi regime.  Our cries
>> have not been instigated by America and have not been concerned with
>> oil-politics but have rather been for the Iraqi people.
>> Saddam Hussain had been flagrantly violating human rights long before he
>> started to threaten the global economy.  To date, torture is an everyday
>> reality, whilst extrajudicial and arbitrary executions are the norm.  The
>> 1997 report of the UN Commission on Human Rights effectively highlights
>> failure of the Iraqi regime to conform to its obligations imposed by
>> international humanitarian law, whilst the 1997 Amnesty international
>> of the same year reports over sixteen thousand unsolved 'disappearances'.
>> One wonders whether Iraqi citizens have not suffered enough with a
>> despotic regime, merely to be faced with the rest of the world's
>> These human rights violations, have not suddenly occured in a vacuum and
>> have our protests against them.   Anti-Americanism should not lead to such
>> blind accusations.  As for;
>> "some 1,200 people marched through central London demanding the overthrow
>>   of....... Iraqi President Saddam Hussein."
>>   Is this a new CIA-tactic to convince the British population that they
>> should  join forces with the USA and invade Iraq?
>> Is this the only possibility?  U seem to be suggesting a false dichotomy;
>> u march against Saddam your with the US, if not your against the US.
>> We know full well the CIA's role in getting the ba'ath party to power, and
>> more significantly the American role in quelling the 1991 Iraqi popular
>> uprising.  My own view is that the Iraqi regime, which has played a
>> significant role in the massacarinmg of its own civilians, sanctions as
>> as US hegemony should be opposed.  To neglect the Iraqi regime from this
>> equation is to be both anti-american and anti-Iraqi civilians, and to
>> opposition to Saddam as being a puppy for America or Israel is profoundly
>> insulting.
>> Yasir Al-Wakeel
>> Cambridge Universtiy
>> Yasir
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dirk Adriaensens <>
>> To: Yasser Alaskary <>;
>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [casi] March yesterday
>>  > Dear Yasser and all,
>>  >
>>  > No one in the world has a worse human rights record than  the United
>> States
>>  > itself. U.S. wars and CIA coups have left behind a  trail of unmatched
>> death
>>  > and destruction from Korea to Angola, from  Indonesia to Nicaragua,
>>  > Vietnam to Iran. Nor can it be forgotten  that U.S. capitalism was
>> erected
>>  > upon a foundation of genocide  against Native peoples and enslavement
>>  > millions of African people.  And in Iraq itself, the greatest cause of
>> death
>>  > and suffering is the  U.S./UN sanctions blockade that remains in place
>>  > years after the  Gulf War. As former U.S. Atty. Gen. Ramsey Clark said
>>  > the fifth  anniversary of the war in 1996, "There is no greater
>> of
>>  > human rights anywhere in the world in the last decade of this
>>  > than the sanctions against Iraq."  And right now Palestine is being
>>  > strangled, blown to pieces and murdered by Zionism, with the aid of the
>> USA.
>>  >
>>  > The blockade of Iraq has taken the lives of more than 1.5 million
>> Iraqis,
>>  > half of them children under the age of five years. As is  universally
>>  > acknowledged, the sanctions blockade only remains in  place due to the
>>  > insistence of Washington.
>>  >
>>  > If the given reasons for the ongoing U.S. aggression against Iraq are
>>  > false, what is really behind the policy? World-dominion and control
>>  > Iraqi oil.
>>  >
>>  > One expects a demonstration against this atrocities, but what do I
>>  > >
>>  > Greetings to those who oppose to any new war or any foreign
>> in
>>  > Iraq. I didn't intend to react to this, but reading Ghazwan's reply, I
>> felt
>>  > I had to support him, and with him the Iraqi people who resist
>> American/UK
>>  > imperialism for more than 11 years now.
>>  >
>>  > Dirk Adriaensens.
>>  >
>>  > responsable International Peace Mission 12-27 april 2002.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>  > From: "Yasser Alaskary" <>
>>  > To: <>
>>  > Cc: <>
>>  > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:07 PM
>>  > Subject: [casi] March yesterday
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  > in_review_text_id=401742
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Marchers demand Saddam is ousted
>>  > >
>>  > > Some 1,200 people marched through central London demanding the
>> overthrow
>>  > of
>>  > > Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
>>  > >
>>  > > But the protesters, drawn from mainly Iraqi communities across
>>  > > stressed that any military action against the dictator must not harm
>> the
>>  > > people of Iraq.
>>  > >
>>  > > The demonstration, organised by the Iraqi Human Rights Division,
>>  > for
>>  > > sanctions against Iraq to be lifted and members of Saddam's regime to
>> be
>>  > > charged with committing crimes against humanity and arrested if they
>> leave
>>  > > the country.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
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