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Dear friends I think you are all missing the point here. The question is NOT about how much money is Iraq earning from the Oil for Food Programme but how is this money is used. The Iraqi Government has absolutely no control over this money. This regime is the Colonialism of the late 20th century/beginning of 21st century contemplated by the US and UK governments. No other country in the world has to beg a biased and manipulated committee (Sanctions Committee) to spend its OWN money. As we have seen in a lot of cases this committee has refused many contracts for supplying basic needs and the repair of the savaged Iraqi infra-structure. In the words of Peter Hain (UK foreign minister), there is currently $19 billions of Iraqi money earned from oil sales held in the UN account. Iraq has little say in how this money is used. Friends, we should base our arguments on principles and not loose sight of the method by which a major country with 22 million population is treated by the new colonialist powers. Hazim >From: hsbj2@cam.ac.uk >To: mbakery@erols.com, iac-discussion@egroups.com >CC: soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk >Subject: Re: transcript of Clinton's radio interview 11-7-00 >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:39:48 +0000 > >We should let him starve his kids so that he won't murder them. >! >Apart from that, a lot of what Bill says sounds quite convincing. >What do people think about this? > >Apparantly, Saddam Hussein is now getting $19 billion whereas he was >getting only $16 billion before the gulf war, from oil. > >What I think it's important to know is whether this is a lie, >a misleading statement, or true. > >Bill Clinton makes out that the USA is trying to aleviate the >suffering and yet some would have it that there is something >of a conspiracy to make it worse. I want to know if the USA >is deliberately trying to stop Iraq from rebuilding its >civilian infrastructure. > >Bill Clinton would have us think that Saddam has money to spend on >food and yet is deliberately not spending it, so that his people >can starve, so that the rest of the world will think that they are >starving because their country cannot afford to feed them, when really >they are starving because it is part of Saddam's strategic plan that >they should be starving. >Is this really plausible? > >I think Amy Goodman could have asked rather more challenging questions. >She really should have argued that it was possible that Iraq has enough >money to feed its people but does not have the infrastructure to >distribute it, and that the enforcers of the sanctions are blockading >imports of materials and blocking contracts for rebuilding infrastructure >of roads, water and electricity. > >As I see it Bill Clinton won that argument. > >I also wouldnt mind knowing whether such blockades, justified by the dual >use argument are really in place to prevent such dual use, as the >authorities would have us believe, or whether it is a deliberate policy to >make sure that Iraq does not recover. It's a nice (but not that nice) >conspiracy theory but is it really plausible? > >Anyway, what I really want to know is whether Bill Clinton genuinely >believes what he is telling the interviewer or whether he is hiding >the fact (?) that he is knowingly and willingly complicit in a rather >large scale genocide (if indeed he is). And ditto Madeleine Albright and >Peter Hain etc. >Do these politicians and others regularly make up answers to keep the >media happy when really they are holding a deep dark secret, or do they >genuinely believe that their policies are fair? > >Please don't anyone tell me that what I've written is irrelivent. >I think that it is important to try to understand the minds of the >people who are committing these crimes (if that's what they are doing) >in order to understand what is exactly going on. > >Peace, > >Hugh. > >--On Wednesday, November 8, 2000 11:03 -0500 Ramsey Kysia ><mbakery@erols.com> wrote: > >> >>PRESIDENT CLINTON: And, you know, remember, this is the only guy, >>the only world leader today who has used chemical weapons on his own >>citizens. And the American people in my judgement should give him all >>the money he needs to take care of his kids. But should do everything >>we can, and even if we are alone, to try to stop him from being in a >>position of murdering his kids again, and murdering other children in the >>Middle East. That's what I believe. > > > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This is a discussion list run by the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq >For removal from list, email soc-casi-discuss-request@lists.cam.ac.uk >Full details of CASI's various lists can be found on the CASI website: >http://www.casi.org.uk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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